And you end up with a monstrosity like Jaws.
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I have Jaws as the result of Window-eyes migration, ans it does have some rathe cool features such as the Researchit tool and convenient OCR which now supports flatbed scanners, however, due to my no longer being employed, among other factors, along with the fact that I've used NVDA for over two years, I will probably stick with NVDA as my primary screen reader. In the time it takes for a full Jaws installation, I can have NVDA up and running. Plus, it supports the software I use very well.
On 6/1/2018 11:58 AM, Jackie wrote:
Here's my $.02. NVDA is designed to do 1 thing & does it reasonably
well, which is to be a *screen reader.* As such, it should certainly
work w/other software that does speech recognition, but speech
recognition should not in any way be a function of NVDA. You start
trying to incorporate too many functions into a program, & it ends up
doing none of them well.
I was hearing back in 98 how voice recognition was going to be the
bee-all & end-all for computers. Transcriptionists were going to lose
their jobs in droves, all computers would type letter-perfect when you
spoke, etc. Could you imagine an office full of cubicles where
everyone was talking to their machines? It'd be a frickin zoo! We are
certainly reaching a point where dictation to one's device is becoming
an increasing reality, but as a sight-impaired computer user, you've
still got to have something that lets you know what's onscreen. Unless
MS decides to bring Narrator beyond the level of Voiceover, or some
sort of artificial eyesight becomes a reality, (& I'd love nothing
more than to see either of those happen), you'll always need something
On 6/1/18, The Gamages via Groups.Io
You are so correct, having been a sighted person, I agree, it is far quicker
to read a document visually than to hear it read out, the eye can assimilate
information far beyond the capabilities of the ear and far quicker.
You also explain vividly the nightmare of trying to edit with voice
I spent years learning to touch type, I learn from sighted friends and
relatives that they mainly use one or two fingers to type onto a keyboard on
a touch screen, progress?
Like most things, we are stuck with voice output to read things, as blind we
don’t have much choice, so a mixture of technologies is the way to go, we
use the things that suit our needs and leave others to do the same, I’ve
said it before, Long live NVDA.
Best Regards, Jim.
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA
Your friend is so biased that his opinions about Window-eyes and JAWS are
highly suspect. And he so much wants something to be so that he
extrapolates without considering very important factors. Whatever happens
to keyboards, some sort of ability for sighted people to do things on a
screen in other means than speech will remain, touch screens, for example.
Consider some examples:
Consider reviewing a rough draft. Which is faster? A sighted person is not
going to listen to an entire document being read, looking for alterations to
make in a draft nor is he/she going to waste time telling the word processor
to find the phrase, and continue speaking from the stop of the phrase until
he says start to define the end of the phrase, then take some sort of action
such as delete it. If he wants to delete a phrase, what is the person going
to do, move to a passage using speech, mark the start of the passage with
speech, then mark the end of the passage with speech then say delete, then
say insert and speak a new passage? The same with copying and pasting from
one document to another,
And such operations are also far more efficient using a keyboard. I should
add that I haven't used programs that operate a computer with speech. If
I'm wrong, and people who use such programs know I am wrong, I await
correction. That's how things appear to me.
What about file management? Consider using speech to tell a computer you
want to delete fifteen noncontiguous files in a list of two hundred.
Consider how you might do it with speech as opposed to using a keyboard.
And considerations of speed and efficiency are true when using the keyboard
and a screen-reader as well. I've mainly discussed sighted users because
innovations are developed for sighted users.
Speech will become increasingly popular and powerful. It won't replace
visual access and manipulation in computers.
I don't use spread sheets but I expect those who do may point out how
cumbersome it would be to use speech with a spread sheet to perform any
somewhat complex series of operations with a screen-reader and some may want
to comment on the visual comparison..
As for JAWS versus Window-eyes, I won't say much but it's not the fault of
JAWS if the person was misled by his college advisor to learn a
screen-reader that has always been a far second in terms of its use in
business and institutions. He should take his anger at FS, if he must spend
so much time and energy being angry, and direct it where it belongs. I
could write paragraphs about why JAWS was dominant, some of it because it
got started first in the DOS screen-reader arena, some of it because it
built up all sorts of relationships with institutions, and some because it
was better for more employment situations than Window-eyes. How many years
did Window-eyes refuse to use scripts and limit the functionality of the
screen-reader in a stubborn attempt to distinguish itself from JAWS?
Finally, what did they do? They used scripts, which they didn't call
scripts, but apps. They weren't apps, and language should be respected.
Words have meanings and you can't, as one of the carachters does in Through
the Looking Glass, use any word to mean anything desired.
But enough. I'll leave the discussion to others from this point unless I
have something additional to add.
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From: The Gamages via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA
voice commands, fine, but how does your friend check what he has ordered?
just a leap of faith, or a sort of screen reader which tells him, think
By his closing your friend is a Trekkie, [star trec fan]
Best Regards, Jim.
From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA
Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question. Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.
From: bj colt [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN
I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.
I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping This does spell
the end of VFO.
Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.
Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.
There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.
Live long and prosper, John