Re: embedded object in Firefox

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Yes that is right, but the most recent flash updates are better than the ones just before them, ie20 I think.
There are also issues in Firefox in all operating systems with the flash object being very slow to actually appear on a page, and often some refreshing is needed to make it come up as far as nvda is concerned. Html5 stuff just plays, but you need a faster machine for this.
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From: "Gene" <>
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Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox

In your message concerning Flash and html5, which I didn't keep, so I'm writing from my recollection, it appears you said that flash didn't play well in XP. I have never had problems related to XP specifically and Flash. Even on a slow machine, Flash played properly. It's HTML5 that doesn't play well on both of my XP machines and one should certainly be more than fast enough to play HTML5 audio content properly.

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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox

Disabling the Flash player may or may not solve the problem. If HTML5 is available from the site, the HTML5 code is usually accessible and will likely allow you to play the audio if the Flash player being used is inaccessible. But just disabling Flash may keep you from listening to audio you want to hear. It depends on whether the site in question supports HTML5 at this time. Many sites do and many don't. I expect there is a way to make HTML the default choice which would allow the site to give you Flash content if necessary. If this option is available, it would be a browser setting or would be made available in a plugin. I don't know enough to comment further. And it should be pointed out that I've tested with two XP machines and HTML audio doesn't play properly even though it's supposed to. It appears that HTML5 isn't properly compatible with XP, at least not at this time and it might never be. I have tested with both Chrome and Firefox with bad results.

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From: Pete
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox

I disabled adobe flash player for this vary reason,
I get warnings about flash player being disabled but the audio still
not sure what is actually playing the audio,
using fire fox 46.0 win 7 64 pro nvda latest.

On 5/7/2016 10:06 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

I found a problem in Firefox when attempting to listen to a sample of an
audio book in the BorrowBox library system. I don't know if this is an NVDA
problem or exclusively a Firefox Flash Player issue. or if Bolinda need to
do something with their Java script. I should mention that the sighted user
has no problem playing the audio sample using a mouse.

I am using Windows 10,, NVDA 2016.1 and Firefox46.1 on a desktop PC.

If List members would like to see the problem for themselves I recommend the
following url:
It is not necessary to sign in to sample the reading of a title.

Here is a typical audio book display:

--Start of clip -----------------------
link graphic Railway Viaduct
embedded object unavailable (this should say "Preview" but doesn't!)
Link Reserve
On Loan, Available on 22/05/16
Link Railway Viaduct
Link Edward Marston
Read by Sam Dastor
Crime & Thriller, Historical Fiction
eAudiobook - Unabridged
---end of clip ------------------

The player for the audio sample is activated by an "embedded object" that is
flagged by NVDA as "not being available". The BorrowBox help page advises
that Adobe flash must be active to enable audio sampling of each title. I
have Adobe flash installed and active. For example, I can play any song in
YouTube in Firefox without any problem.

After many weeks of failing to play the preview, I found the following
workaround using NVDA:

From the top of the web page select eAudio if not already selected. Then
press "g" to find a book title. If the next object after pressing
down-arrow once is "embedded Object" then you have an audio book and we can

Here is the full sequence of steps:
1. Press G for the graphic of the book title;
2. Press down-arrow once to the embedded object. You should hear "Embedded
Object not available";
3. Press NVDA + numpad Enter to activate the embedded object. You should
hear "Embedded Object Unavailable Activate";
4. Press right arrow once. You should hear ""Space";
5. Press the space bar to start and stop the sample audio of the narrator

If pressing the space bar does not act as a toggle and the enter key does
not do the job either:
6. Press right arrow once;
7. Press space bar or main keyboard enter to play and stop playing the audio

Can anyone advise what to do about this?
A. Is it an NVDA problem?
B. Is it a Firefox problem?
c. Is it a BorrowBox problem for the developer Bolinda to see to?

All the best,


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