Re: I've had it with Firefox


If you are seeing this behavior with NVDA and JAWS, it sounds as though Firefox isn't allowing the buffer to line up properly or to work properly with the control you are working with in the buffor.  Go to the control you want to work with, turn off the virtual PC cursor or browse mode, and read the current line to see where you are.  If you are in the right place, work with the control and see what happens.  If you want to move to the control, try doing so and work with it. 
There is almost no difference browsing between Firefox and Chrome.  If you explain specifically what you object to or have problems with, we might be able to help with the Chrome problems.
If it is too cumbersome to work with Firefox until the problem is corrected, itmight be worth trying to see what you object to in Chrome and how we might lessen or remove the problems. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox


Forgive me.

I thought this was on the Win10 list, not NVDA.

This being said, I'm still seeing this as well with NVDA.

Pardon my carelessness.


On 07/07/2018 01:48 PM, Lenron wrote:
> I must agree it works great for youTube
> On 7/7/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
>> I actually hate chrome on windows. I dunno what it is. It’s fast but to me
>> feels sticky and clunky. I will only use chrome for youtube as that’s when
>> it in my humble opinion works the best.
>>> On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:29 AM, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
>>> wrote:
>>> Firefox is too slow for me: i have abandoned it for Chrome which is far
>>> better and Ithink usable too.
>>> If you try Chrome, you will no longer want to use anything else.
>>> Just a suggestion of course.
>>> Il 06/07/2018 19:00, Dave Grossoehme ha scritto:
>>>> You could have a valid point on video cards or even sound cards.  It's
>>>> known that different processors make a difference on what software is
>>>> running
>>>> Insider Dave
>>>> On 6/29/2018 4:52 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>>> Hi Gene,
>>>>> This whole issue with Firefox is odd, but since I have seen no
>>>>> complaints about Firefox sluggishness or unresponsiveness from sighted
>>>>> people, the issue has to be somehow related to screen reader usage
>>>>> and/or the way JAWS, NVDA and other screen readers interface with
>>>>> Firefox under very complex conditions.  I am still wondering about video
>>>>> card or internal video chips conflicts. I know everyone at Freedom
>>>>> Scientific/VFO used to get mad at me when I worked for them every time
>>>>> something like this would happen with a program--wherein some people had
>>>>> no issues and others had several issues.  I would bring up video
>>>>> card/chip conflicts of issues and they would yell at me that all such
>>>>> issues involving screen readers (in the words of the old gospel song) it
>>>>> was all settled long ago.  Still, I wonder!
>>>>> On 6/29/2018 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>>>> this discussion needs perspective, in my opinion.
>>>>>> Which version of firefox is inefficient with memory?  According to a
>>>>>> review I read of the new Firefox, it is much more efficient with
>>>>>> memory.  and efficient or not, no browser is going to require that a
>>>>>> computer have 4 or 5gb of RAM to work.
>>>>>> and the slowness is, as far as I can reasonably infer, because of
>>>>>> unresolved accessibility issues.  Since there are very conflicting
>>>>>> reports, with some people being very pleased with the new Firefox and
>>>>>> others not, we'll have to see how things work out over time.  Something
>>>>>> unknown is evidently causing a wide disparity.
>>>>>> If you read reviews by sighted reviewers, the new Firefox is very fast
>>>>>> and is now a realistic competitor to Chrome.
>>>>>> Regarding privacy, according to one or two reviews, Firefox is now
>>>>>> better at protecting privacy, or providing options to do so, than
>>>>>> Chrome.
>>>>>> Waterfox is based on an ESR version of Firefox.  it's a small operation
>>>>>> and how well it will keep up with security fixes that are necessary is,
>>>>>> as far as I can see, not known.  How will it keep up in general?  If it
>>>>>> bases itself on ESR versions of Firefox, and with a new ESR version of
>>>>>> Firefox coming out within about a week or less, are all the advantages
>>>>>> you like in Waterfox going to disappear?  the new ESR version of
>>>>>> firefox, on which Waterfox is based, will be a quantum version.  We'll
>>>>>> see what it is like and how people comment on it here.
>>>>>> There is, at present, far too much that isn't known about future
>>>>>> developments.  A strong antiFirefox bias predisposes against making the
>>>>>> best choices in future and may cause people not to pay attention to
>>>>>> future developments as soon as they might, thus, perhaps, delaying
>>>>>> benefiting from future advantages.
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 3:31 AM
>>>>>> To: <>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>>>>> Blimey, I only have 8 gigs of ram. You can with the resource monitor
>>>>>> add on
>>>>>> see very clearly that Firefox is not very efficient at processor or
>>>>>> memory
>>>>>> use most of the time. I have an I5 and its been unthrottled too.
>>>>>>   Brian
>>>>>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>>>>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting
>>>>>> 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...
>>>>>> <mailto:marrie12@...>>
>>>>>> To: "nvda list list" <
>>>>>> <>>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>>>>> Yeah I'm not. I'm on what ever was released last Tuesday or updates for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> public. It's quite fast here, but the 32 gigs of ram probably help a
>>>>>> bit. I
>>>>>> woudl just  check for updates and stuff.
>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds.
>>>>>>> Sent from Mail <
>>>>>>> <>> for
>>>>>>> Windows 10
>>>>>>> From: <>
>>>>>>> < <>>
>>>>>>> < <>
>>>>>>> < <>>> on behalf
>>>>>>> of Sarah k
>>>>>>> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>
>>>>>>> <mailto:marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM
>>>>>>> To: nvda list list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>>>>>> I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah
>>>>>>> firefox
>>>>>>> is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.
>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>>>>>>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail <
>>>>>>>> <>> for
>>>>>>>> Windows 10
>>>>>>>> From: <>
>>>>>>>> < <>>
>>>>>>>> < <>
>>>>>>>> < <>>> on behalf
>>>>>>>> of Sarah k
>>>>>>>> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
>>>>>>>> To: nvda list list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>>>>>>> I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and
>>>>>>>> chrome.
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales
>>>>>>>>> <linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
>>>>>>>>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I
>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>> the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May
>>>>>>>>> I’ll
>>>>>>>>> wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Edge are good buddies.
>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail <
>>>>>>>>> <>> for
>>>>>>>>> Windows 10
>>>>> --
>>>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

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