Re: Using Station playlist with the latest version of NVDA


Sarah k Alawami
 

I’m picky. Even though my podcast is talk as well, I must  make it sound like i’m in a recording studio if I possibly can with intros and outtros and stuff. If it does not I don’t release that month. I hate bad sounding podcasts which is why I don’t listen to hardly any. I don’t have time to cringe. I put that energy toward my work such as it is right now.

On Jul 10, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

But this is a simple podcast with a person talking and music playing at times underneath.  If the person does audio work in the future requiring the kind of knowledge you are discussing, that's different. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Station playlist with the latest version of NVDA

You don’t need to know all of that but it helps, a lot especually if someone asks you if ou want to equ it to about 280 or so. Also if you know what things sound like you will know what to eq to if you need to do that. You don’t have to know 100 percent, but yeah I took the classes and it has helped in my audio production, a lot.

On Jul 10, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...> wrote:

I couldn't have put it better myself, for me personally if I don't understand something I avoid doing it until it is explained well. 

Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/
On 10/07/2018 21:33, Gene wrote:
You don't need to know much technical information of the kind discussed in the message quoted below mine.  What you do need to know is easily understood if explained well.  
 
Gene

 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Station playlist with the latest version of NVDA

Start with learning the wave forms, the filters, the audio frequencies, the formulas. That’s where I started when I took classes about 14 years ago and they have helped.. Also learn about high  and low pass filters, eq, queue etc. You can do all of this in a matter of weeks if you take the time to sit down and play with simple sound files and white noise which contains all frequencies from 20 hz to 20 k.. Also learn about digital to analog if you need to and more.

On Jul 10, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...> wrote:

Hi Joseph, I think it is between Goldwave and Audacity now, Soundforge is another one I am looking at as well, so I guess now the question is where do I start so I can learn the basics of audio editing in general with Nvda?  Does NV Access have any tutorials, or at least anyone else? 

Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/
On 10/07/2018 19:54, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Regarding GoldWave: I believe someone did a series of tutorials on using it with NVDA a while back.

As for Studio with NVDA: I produced one back in 2014, but as of now, it is very out of date (the add-on back then versus what it is now is way different). I asked several broadcasters if they’d like to do just that, but to no avail.

I suggest going through the following sequence:

  1. Learn basics of audio editing, such as concepts and skills you need for using any audio editor. This is so that you can transfer the knowledge between programs, as they provide similar functionality across the board. You’ll learn things such as why dynamics matter, timing, audio formats and what not. 
  2. Evaluate several audio editors, not just the ones suggested by folks on this forum. 
  3. Once you find an editor you are most comfortable with, learn how that audio editor works by applying what you learned through a basics course. 
  4. Optionally, if you have time or are adventurous, learn the basics of other editors so you can switch between them easily as the need arises. 

Cheers,

Joseph


 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claire Potter
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Station playlist with the latest version of NVDA


 

hi Josiph,  I did see that Brian Hartgen did do a tutorial about using Station playlist,  but like most things he does, they are to do with Jaws, not NVDA, I don't think anyone else has done anything to do with using Station playlist. I think what I really need is some tech training from someone knowledgable who knows about NVDA where I can be talked through exactly what to do and how to record using either Goldwave or Audacity,  yes, tutorials are good to purchase but I think it is just as good to pay someone and know you can ask questions there and then, after all, we all have to start somewhere! 

Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/

On 10/07/2018 19:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

This can be done in Audacity, GoldWave and other audio editors via “voiceover” and similar effects. You would first record your voice, find out how long your voice track is, load appropriate music, then mix them via this effect (in GoldWave, voiceover effect will mix in your voice track copied to the clipboard into your music). Similarly, for fade out, you can specify when the music should end and do either a crossfade, or let the music fade out and mix in your voice track (I can tell you, having done this work for ten years, it requires precise control in timing, dynamics (volume changes) and what not in order to achieve professional quality; my tutorial set (particularly Windows 10 audio guides) are good examples of this).

The biggest advantage of this method is that you can stay in just one program. The issue though is having precise control over the final audio cut.


 

On the other hand, you can do the same thing with StationPlaylist Studio with editing done via another program. For benefit of those who may not know how it can be done, here’s how:

  1. Load a bunch of tracks into Studio’s playlist viewer (the main window), including the background music. 
  2. Set up a dummy encoder that’ll record things to mp3 files. 
  3. Configure the microphone in Studio so music will fade (Studio Options page). 
  4. Start the encoder. 
  5. Switch to Studio’s playlist viewer, move down through the music beds, then press Enter to play each one. 
  6. Speak to your microphone. Be sure to do it whenever you need to speak – doing this with mic on at all times may result in lower volume for the music bed. 
  7. When you’re done, press S from Studio to stop with fade. 
  8. With the recording done, turn off the dummy encoder. 

 

The advantage of this approach is that it’ll feel like you’re doing a live broadcast.

The problems with this approach are:

  1. You need to have an idea as to which music beds to play (in other words, choose the playlist items carefully). 
  2. You need to have precise control over when to turn on or off the microphone, as well as when to fade the music bed. 
  3. You need to set up a dummy encoder for this purpose. 
  4. The mp3 you’ll get is a rough cut, so you need to edit it with another program. 

 

As for file formats to use when editing audio: as Sarah and others pointed out, it is best to use an uncompressed (pure) audio format such as wave (.wav) or FLAC (free lossless audio codec). I personally edit my files in .wav format, and once everything is in place, then I convert it into mp3 (lossy format) with reasonable quality.

In case you haven’t, I highly recommend talking to people such as Jonathan Mosen, Brian Hartgen, David Woodbridge and many others who are professors of audio editing from blindness perspective.

Cheers,

Joseph


 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claire Potter
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Station playlist with the latest version of NVDA


 
Hi, what I want to do is have music attimes which ducks at times so I can talk over it and then the music fades out eventually, it would not get any more complex than that.  Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/

On 10/07/2018 17:22, Gene wrote:

My messages may have more information than is helpful now.  So disregard them if they are.  Once the discussion progresses further, I may have more specific information about programs and editing as the discussion progresses.  


 

for now, I want to find out as precisely as I can what you want to do, so I'll ask this question.

Do you want to have music simultaneously with your speech or just speech with jingles at times in the program?


 

Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Station playlist with the latest version of NVDA


 

Hi Gene, you have totally confused me now, I just want to be able to remove bits of audio which do not need to be there, and add in the jingles and music at the appropriate times. 

Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/

On 10/07/2018 16:58, Gene wrote:

What is the next level?  Are you editing an mp3 file and then saving it again as an MP3 file?  Every time you edit a file and then reencode it while saving, you lose audio quality.  Either do all your editing in a lossless format such as wave, then save the final file as MP3, or edit an existing mp3 file using a program like MP3 Direct Cut, which edits existing MP3 files and saves the edited file without reencoding it.  If you edit and save an MP3 file reencoding it every time, after three or four saves, you will start to hear significant audio degredation.  


 

There may be other things you should know as the discussion continues about how to decide if you want to edit in a lossless format and save the entire file as an MP3 as the last save or use a program like MP3 Direct Cut.  


 

For now, basics such as just what you want to do would be the place to begin.


 

If you edit an MP3 file using a program like MP3 Direct Cut, you may introduce artifacts, depending on how the recording program recorded it.  You can use a recording program that eliminates this problem.  I'm saying that here so you know you have that option.


 

Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Station playlist with the latest version of NVDA


 

Hi Joseph, I have used NVDA for about 6 months now, I would not by any means call myself an expert yet but I am quite confident in using it, so it is just Studio and editing programs that I am new to. My friend did say that I can’t  edit in Studio itself, so that is maybe where something like Audacity or even Total recorder would come in. I do have Total recorder and I really like using that for simple editing tasks, so for example if I have a file that is 30 minutes long but I wanted to select a section to remove it is really simple to do that, that is about as far as I currently go with editing, but I would like to take it to the next level!  Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/

On 10/07/2018 16:37, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> Yes, you can use StationPlaylist Studio for pre-recording shows (a bit involved), but you may need a different program for editing the file afterwards.
> Just so we can help you better: are you a new NVDA user, a new Studio user, or both? If both, then I suggest learning NVDA first so you can get an idea as to how to use the screen reader before using Studio. Once you become comfortable with NVDA, then I suggest learning how to use Studio so you can use its features efficiently.
> There is as NVDA add-on (similar to scripts for other screen readers) that makes improvements to how NVDA interacts with Studio, but that's getting way ahead of the broadcast.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claire Potter
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Station playlist with the latest version of NVDA
>
> Hi Joseph, it was a friend who used to use it a little while ago, I can’t remember what exactly she said but it was something like if it was used to produce pre-recorded shows those are then saved as MP3 files which I can edit as if they were podcasts, like I said though, I am quite new to the whole world of audio editing and production etc so I can’t quite remember what she said.
>
> Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/
>
> On 10/07/2018 16:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi Claire,
>> Welcome to NVDA list.
>> Sorry to say the following as a reply to your first post, but do you have a source who told you StationPlaylist Studio can be used for creating podcasts? Studio is mostly meant for producing pre-recorded or live shows on air, not necessarily used for podcast production (for that, there are programs such as Audacity, GoldWave, and many others).
>> I'll ask some folks I know who uses StationPlaylist Studio regarding this possibility.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
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>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claire
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>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 7:31 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Using Station playlist with the latest version of NVDA
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>> Hi, I am new to this list and I hope someone can help me. I would like
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>> would like to use Station playlist studio to record my own podcasts, I
>> am however unable to find a clear tutorial which explains how to do
>> this. I am using the latest version of NVDA.  Can you help? -- Warm
>> regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website:
>> http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/
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