Re: Accessible voice and text chat


To be honest skype could have been one of my big ifs in life, a needed tool but its not right now.

When I need it I will use it.

Or rather I will use what it has become but only when necessary.

I will instruct all contacts for my jobs to either call me or I will call them at my expense if I must.

Everything else will be done via email.

Eventually maybe sooner than later my plan will to switch to whats app on a smart device, maybe I run skype again maybe I don't.

The issue some of us have with microsoft as a whole they do something completely marvelous then screw it up so bad that its not worth it at all.

So dos, good, windows 3x ok.

win 95-98-2k-xp good but xpsp1 sucked and win98se driver support was bad.

Vista was crap as was win me.

Windows 7 is good.

win 8x all versions was bad.

win10 is fine could be better but still.

Skype follows much the same.

skype 1x good.

skype 2x good.

3x bad 4x ok 5x ok 6x better

7x up to the latest, while some add boxes and the like fine.

8 preview shockingly crap!!!

8 and uwp, probably good but who's trusting may as well be crap.

The same is with narator.

Even if it was the only screen reader it would still be and always would be completely crap in my eyes so to speak because of the disaster in xp!

Narator is crap and not a real screen reader.

Its crap and always will be crap.

I don't trust everything microsoft do because of experiences I have had before and other users will feel the same.

I know they are changing, but they have done enough bad things that other users including me sometimes feel a little fritened maybe threatened, skype classic was one of the best voip solutions out there for a while, suddenly its being turned up side down.

The logic for it is sound but the rest is well unknown.

On 7/23/2018 9:50 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its just that many distrust microsoft, and indeed the old Skype team as it has seemed for years now that its one step forward and two back on accessibility with this particular software, and people are losing patience with it I suspect.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat

With the exception of some intermediary stages, Skype's accessibility
doesn't seem to be degrading, just changing. Even on iOS they're putting a
lot of care into it, making it more Voiceover-friendly than some of Apple's
own apps I could name. For now I'm sticking with it and can only recommend
others do the same and provide feedback to Microsoft if something goes

Sarah k Alawami <> schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018 um
05:32 Uhr:

Sadly I use skype for this. I use zoom for my business meetings but
those won’t help  you . I would  just stick to skype. It works and
microsoft have improved it over all..

Take care and sorry to be the bringer of bad news.

On 21 Jul 2018, at 20:18, Bill Dengler wrote:

This might not be the right list for this sort of thing, but I figured
it’d be worth a shot.
With Skype’s accessibility degrading on Windows and virtually
disappearing on the Mac after recent updates, I’m looking for
I’m looking for a service (or collection of services used together)
for realtime voice and text chat. The services must have accessible,
native (i.e. not a web view) apps on Windows, Mac, iOS and Android. I
am willing to consider an app with a web view if accessibility is
excellent. Incoming text chat messages must be automatically read
aloud for JAWS users. The following features are nice to have, in
rough order of most to least important, but are not required:
1. Automatic reading of incoming text chat messages for NVDA,
VoiceOver users.
2. End-to-end encryption.
3. Use of the Opus codec (or something similar) allowing for high, yet
stable audio quality depending on network conditions.
4. Conference/group chat support.
5. Based on open standards (or has a public API), so if the app breaks
we can find/write another.

A few options I thought of:
faceTime/iMessage: doesn’t work for Windows/Android/non-Apple users.
Whatsapp/Signal/Slack: desktop apps are web based
Discord: desktop app is web based, reports of inaccessibility on
Telegram: accessibility on mobile is hit and miss
Google Duo/Alo: no desktop apps at all
Running my own XMPP/SIP server: no XMPP clients that I know of
autoread for JAWS, I am responsible for running my own servers (not in
itself a bad thing but makes it harder to communicate with those not
connected to my server), difficult to use for nontechnical users.
Twiter direct messages: will not be realtime after streaming API is
shut down, no solution for voice chat.

Any ideas on other services I can investigate?

Thanks in advance,

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