Re: Introduction, and a question


Ervin, Glenn
 

When I am doing something important, that would be serious if lost, I keep it in multiple locations, and as I am writing, so I don’t lose the work I’m doing now, I do control + S from time to time, maybe after every other paragraph.

I would rarely work on a document from a thumb drive or removable media.

I would copy the important document to the computer, write and save, and copy it back to the removable media.

That is why I stated that I know when something important is being written to a removable drive.

I see people here at work wo access our agency drives in another town and browse there in Word or Excel and save their work on that main drive, rather than copying the file to their computer first.

I think I know when it is safe to pull out a drive, I think Microsoft has these utilities doing such things for people who don’t know the difference between file explorer and using the Office browse feature in a word processor.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

I'm illustrating probability.  And how serious the consequences are cannot be assumed to be more minor in the case of a thumb drive.  If you have most of your unfinished masters thesis on a thumb drive, don't have it backed up and lose it because you don't use safely remove hardware, the results can be devastating. 

 

My point is probability.  A lot of people who don't wear seat belts never have a serious accident.  A lot of people who don't use safely remove hardware never lose data.  But a prudent person wears seat belts and uses safely remove hardware. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

I wouldn’t compare seatbelts to pulling a thumb drive.

LOL

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

A lot of people never wear seatbelts and nothing happens to them, but for some people one day, ...

 

You are talking about probabilities.  I don't believe in taking meaningless risks, even if small, to save a bit of work executing a few commands.

 

A lot of people don't use safely remove hardware for a long time and nothing happens to them.  But for some people, one day,...

 

Gene

 

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

All I can state is that I have been doing this all along, with no problems.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding computers.  See this article. 

 

And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in some ways.  In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7.  XP caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

How do you know?  Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>

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