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I have to agree with Eleni here.
2018 seems to be the year to be overly offended by everything.
Instead of talking about the original subject we're now suddenly
talking about a name for a company. Really, who cares. People
shouldn't need their hand held at every turn on a mailing list.
Regardless, Eleni, good luck in finding alternatives that work as
nice as skype. Team talk is nice, yes, but not many folks in the
mainstream use it. Team speak has its own set of frustrating
issues - one of which is accessing context menus with NVDA without
restarting it. Discord is slowly, oh so slowly, improving. Google
hangouts is...kind of? okay, but I forget what I didn't like about
it as it has been a while, so perhaps things have changed.
Sorry I couldn't be more help
On 24-Jul-2018 1:42 AM, Gene wrote:
I consider this to be little short of bashing, microslop,
mocrosoft? This is a public list and insulting companies may
offend or bother people who like products of a company.
If more people did this on list, the level of the list would
be degraded and it's nature would change from a helping and
discussion list to a help, discussion, and product bashing
If this practice spread, peoples feelings might be hurt. I
don't know who is on the list now, but in the past someone was
on the list that helped develop accessibility for Open Office
and someone who works on E-Speak was a member. If you start
this sort of thing and it spreads, it might have effects not
considered by the original practitioner.
And, as you saw from comments earlier from various people,
the disparagement isn't necessarily accurate. many people
presented information about Microsoft that contradicted it.
Would you like seeing your favorite program disparaged in
this way even if the comments weren't directed toward you?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat
People need to stop being offended by everything, especially
not directed toward them. Who cares whether someone uses a
disparaging name of a company? It's not a personal insult or
In any case, I am of the opinion that, if things work well, they
should be improved, not changed entirely. I liked earlier
Skype. Then came 7, which was annoying in several ways (I cannot
think of them at the moment, as I haven't used the older versions
Skype since they discontinued them). Now, there is a completely
interface. I have tried it remotely on my friend's computer (with
permission, of course) but we were in a call, so I didn't get the
effect of going through contacts, making and answering a call,
In some ways, it's quicker than 7, and things are immediately
instead of being in a list and under menus. But some things
be missing. I just don't see the need to needlessly complicate
things, and even if this works, I am still interested in
with a simpler and more traditional interface.
On 23/07/2018, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...>
> I don't see how it would either.
> Except dolphin maybe, their brouser access is well not there
> versions of internet explorer work with their stuff.
> They say they are working on chrome but catch up they are
> firefox, chrome, waterfox, most of those we allready have
> On 7/24/2018 8:54 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
>> Good point Tyler. And this goes back to the VFO brewhaha
we had on here
>> last week. I don’t see how Narrator would disrupt open
>> readers like NVDA as his Erickness stated in that
podcast. As I always say
>> viva la NVDA!
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>> From: firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com>
on behalf of Tyler Wood
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:49:46 PM
>> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat
>> A few years ago I might have agreed with you on microsoft
>> These days, as you say, Microsoft is everywhere. Seeing
AI is simply a
>> revolutionary tool on the smartphone and is not made by
>> Similarly, narrator is quickly becoming a replacement for
your every day
>> screen reader. Keep in mind that the NFB went at apple
pretty hard back
>> in the day, too, so it isn't as though their bringing
>> into the market was voluntary. Microsoft has pretty
>> on the Xbox, as well, a far cry from Sony who, even
though they released
>> so called accessibility first, are still missing crutial
tts in areas
>> like the system settings 4 years later. Playing catch up,
>> I'm curious where you think microsoft is lacking in
>> days? Considering we have quite a few folks with
>> for microsoft as well as apple, I think they're on a
>> playing field.
>> On 23-Jul-2018 3:40 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>> Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility
than "many other
>>> companies", but depending on which other companies
you compare them with,
>>> may not be saying much.
>>> Also, given their overwhelming dominance in the
>>> market, I think they have not done as well as they
should have done in
>>> of accessibility.
>>> I think Apple were late starters in the accessibility
arena, but once
>>> decided to go for it, they showed how it should be
done, and Microsoft
>>> simply played catch-up, in order to avoid total
>>> they had to in the mid 90s when they suddenly
realised that people had
>>> out about the Internet, and if they didn't do
something quick, they'd be
>>> behind in the networked world).
>>> On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:29:59, Gene wrote:
>>>> I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list
member. I really
>>>> to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and
I especially object
>>>> it when the company has a much better record on
accessibility than many
>>>> other companies.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>>>> I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew
that skype was in time going
>>>>> to be a good thing and talk about html was
in happening even since
>>>>> about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has
come a long way and we
>>>>> have to thank microslop for it. They made
skype what it is today, a
>>>>> ver good tool for my jobs and more.