Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...>

Thank you, Tyler, both for your agreement and for your suggestions.
While I don't deliberately insult people for no reason, I am against
political correctness in general. If people wrote bad things about a
program that I liked, I would simply ignore it. I'm not its writer,
but if I were, I would ask what they didn't like about it so that we
could discuss it in a civil manner.

I will try Team Talk again. I don't mind if it's used widely in the
mainstream. I need it to contact my Greek teacher for lessons and my
best friend so that we can voice chat. If others wish to join me, of
course, they can do so, though of course, it's different from a
dedicated program like Skype, where you have friends that you can add,
etc. But maybe, some members of various Facebook groups might be
interested in meeting there! *smile*

On 24/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
I have to agree with Eleni here.

2018 seems to be the year to be overly offended by everything. Instead
of talking about the original subject we're now suddenly talking about a
name for a company. Really, who cares. People shouldn't need their hand
held at every turn on a mailing list.

Regardless, Eleni, good luck in finding alternatives that work as nice
as skype. Team talk is nice, yes, but not many folks in the mainstream
use it. Team speak has its own set of frustrating issues - one of which
is accessing context menus with NVDA without restarting it. Discord is
slowly, oh so slowly, improving. Google hangouts is...kind of? okay, but
I forget what I didn't like about it as it has been a while, so perhaps
things have changed.

Sorry I couldn't be more help

On 24-Jul-2018 1:42 AM, Gene wrote:
I consider this to be little short of bashing, microslop, mocrosoft?
This is a public list and insulting companies may offend or bother
people who like products of a company.
If more people did this on list, the level of the list would be
degraded and it's nature would change from a helping and discussion
list to a help, discussion, and product bashing list.
If this practice spread, peoples feelings might be hurt.  I don't know
who is on the list now, but in the past someone was on the list that
helped develop accessibility for Open Office and someone who works on
E-Speak was a member.  If you start this sort of thing and it spreads,
it might have effects not considered by the original practitioner.
And, as you saw from comments earlier from various people, the
disparagement isn't necessarily accurate.  many people presented
information about Microsoft that contradicted it.
Would you like seeing your favorite program disparaged in this way
even if the comments weren't directed toward you?
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Eleni Vamvakari <mailto:elvam2167@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:07 AM
*To:* <>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat

People need to stop being offended by everything, especially comments
not directed toward them.  Who cares whether someone uses a
disparaging name of a company?  It's not a personal insult or attack.

In any case, I am of the opinion that, if things work well, they
should be improved, not changed entirely.  I liked earlier versions of
Skype.  Then came 7, which was annoying in several ways (I cannot
think of them at the moment, as I haven't used the older versions of
Skype since they discontinued them).  Now, there is a completely new
interface.  I have tried it remotely on my friend's computer (with his
permission, of course) but we were in a call, so I didn't get the full
effect of going through contacts, making and answering a call, etc.
In some ways, it's quicker than 7, and things are immediately present,
instead of being in a list and under menus.  But some things seemed to
be missing.  I just don't see the need to needlessly complicate
things, and even if this works, I am still interested in alternatives
with a simpler and more traditional interface.

On 23/07/2018, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...
<mailto:sm.everiss@...>> wrote:
I don't see how it would either.

Except dolphin maybe, their brouser access is well  not there only old
versions of internet explorer work with their stuff.

They say they are working on chrome but catch up they are doing,
firefox, chrome, waterfox, most of those we allready have everywhere

On 7/24/2018 8:54 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
Good point Tyler. And this goes back to the VFO brewhaha we had on
last week. I don’t see how Narrator would disrupt open source screen
readers like NVDA as his Erickness stated in that podcast. As I
always say
viva la NVDA!

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat

A few years ago I might have agreed with you on microsoft playing

These days, as you say, Microsoft is everywhere. Seeing AI is simply a
revolutionary tool on the smartphone and is not made by apple.
Similarly, narrator is quickly becoming a replacement for your
every day
screen reader. Keep in mind that the NFB went at apple pretty hard
in the day, too, so it isn't as though their bringing more
into the market was voluntary. Microsoft has pretty decent
on the Xbox, as well, a far cry from Sony who, even though they
so called accessibility first, are still missing crutial tts in areas
like the system settings 4 years later. Playing catch up, indeed.

I'm curious where you think microsoft is lacking in accessibility
days? Considering we have quite a few folks with disabilities working
for microsoft as well as apple, I think they're on a pretty level
playing field.

On 23-Jul-2018 3:40 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility than "many other
companies", but depending on which other companies you compare
them with,
may not be saying much.

Also, given their overwhelming dominance in the desktop (laptop)
market, I think they have not done as well as they should have done
of accessibility.

I think Apple were late starters in the accessibility arena, but once
decided to go for it, they showed how it should be done, and
simply played catch-up, in order to avoid total embarrassment (rather
they had to in the mid 90s when they suddenly realised that people
out about the Internet, and if they didn't do something quick,
they'd be
behind in the networked world).


On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:29:59, Gene wrote:

I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member.  I really
to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially
it when the company has a much better record on accessibility
than many
other companies.

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On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time
to be a good thing and  talk about html was in happening  even
about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and
have to thank microslop for  it. They  made skype what it is
today, a
ver good tool for my jobs and more.

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