Re: "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA


I didn't address search pages, which you mention and which is important in demonstrating my point.
Let's use Google as an examle.
Google has each search result formatted as a heading.  So I can type the letter h and move from result link to result link.  It also has the address to which the link leads under the link so you know whether you are being directed to a legitimate site that corresponds with the text of the link.  it's protection against being taken to a malicious site masquerading as the real site.
I won't go into every item but if you look down further you will get to small excerpts of text on the page the link leads to.  This helps you decide if the information on the page is relevant.  It is much more efficient to type h, then down arrow through whatever you want to see about the result link, then type h again to move to the next result link of you want to skip the rest of the material.  Or you can just down arrow and read everything if you wish.  Then down arrowing once more takes you to the next result link.
It makes no sense to enter the headings list, move to the first result heading, leave the headings list, look at what you want, go back into the headings list and move to the next heading etc.
also, if all you want to do is move by heading, typing h will move you from one result link to the next to the next as efficiently as being in the headings list and moving by heading that way. 
And screen-readers these days have commands to move by heading, move by link, and move by list while all the time, staying on the page and not using an artificial structure which removes you from the structure of the page.
And of course, a move by button command.
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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

You can move through headings by pressing h while not in the headings list.  You also don't have to keep switching in and out of the headings list to see what may be underneath the heading.  There may be links.  If the heading is a link, there may be a teaser giving information about a story you may want to read to decide if you want to read the story itself.  NVDA has a links command, k to move forward and shift k to move gbackwards.  And if you move by links without using the links list, again, you can more efficiently look under a link to see if additional information is available without leaving the links list, then reentering it again.  I see no advantage that means anything conferred by the links list. 
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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 09:20 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
What you are saying in a nutshell is that you should always scope out unfamiliar web pages and then when you know what is going on on such pages, use your quick navigation, links lists and so on.

Every single one of the "lists" features also has its place, and that place is not only after one is familiar with the page.  Going through headings lists on things like newspaper websites gets one through what is generally the list of headlines and doing the same on search pages puts one through the click-through text for the search results returned.

Sometimes using the links list (which is my very least favorite thing to use) allows someone to get a quick overview of what's on the page just by arrowing through it.

All of these tools are appropriately used in combination.  I am also a huge fan of the screen reader search function and, for those willing to use it, mouse tracking.  You can get a decent idea of what's on a completely unfamiliar page by gliding the mouse around and listening to what is announced that's underneath it.  Very few screen reader users who are not also former users of the mouse are willing to do this, though.

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

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