Re: Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard


Walker, Michael E
 

Gene, in JAWS with the virtual PC cursor active, I don’t have to choose between copying as the virtual PC cursor sees it versus how a sighted user sees it. I just select what I need and press CTRL+C. When I paste with CTRL+V to new location, I can still hear the number of columns the table is, the heading announcements, and so on, and when I press insert+f, I can validate that is how a sighted person sees it. You are right that NVDA needs to behave this way.

 

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

 

Which is why I said to select the entire page, control a, Copy it to the clipboard, then paste it into a program where the formatting is retained and edit it there.  The whole point of browse mode is to give you a virtual cursor so you can move around the page as though there were a real cursor and it also reformats the page in some ways to make reading logical for blind readers. 

 

Without browse mode, you can move as though there were a cursor because there isn't one, except in edit fields.

 

The question is, when you select using the virtual cursor, are you selecting text as it appears in the virtual cursor or as it appears on the actual page?  Formatting, the kind of font, italics, etc. may be retained either way.  Try down arrowing through a table in browse mode and select as you go.  Copy to the clipboard and paste in a program.  Are the columns arranged as they should be or are they all columns, one underneath the other as they appear in browse mode. 

 

I just tried this on one site.  Note the difference:

Browse mode on:

Su
Mo
Tu
We
Th
Fr
Sa
 29 
 30 
 31 
 1 
 2 
 3 
 4 
 5 
 6 
 7 
 8 
 9 
 10 
 11 
 12 
 13 
 14 
 15 
 16 
 17 
 18 
 19 
 20 
 21 
 22 
 23 
 24 
 25 
 26 
 27 
 28 
 29 
 30 
 31 

1

 

Browse Mode off:

Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa

29 30 31 1 2 3 4

5 6 7 8 9 10 11

12 13 14 15 16 17 18

19 20 21 22 23 24 25

26 27 28 29 30 31 1

 

That is how the table appears to a sighted person.

 

I would think other structures are altered where advantageous to a blind reader using Browse Mode as well. 

 

When corresponding with sighted people, it is often important to be able to reproduce material from Internet pages as it appears on the page, not as browse mode reformats it for blind users.

 

JAWS gives the user a choice, copy from virtual PC cursor or copy from page,  NVDA doesn't and this is an ability that must be added if NVDA is going to be a work and academically properly capable screen-reader.

 

Gene

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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

 

How do you know what you are selecting? When I go to asp.net and press h in Firefox to get to the first heading, I then press NVDA+space bar, to activate focus mode. When I press shift+down arrow after that, NVDA does not announce what I am selecting. The heading was not selected, when I pasted into Outlook, but other text was, and the formatting was retained.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard

 

Michael,

             I was in the Google Chrome browser for that testing cycle.   I just did the same from Firefox for this testing cycle, but I believe that it's in how we're doing our selection that's different.

             I don't use NVDA's select function, but go back to native Windows text selection once I know where I want to start from.  I've mostly been using SHIFT + Down Arrow, with NVDA in focus mode, and that's as Gene indicated.  But if I use Windows text selection keyboard commands the text is being selected just as if I'd done so with the mouse (and that includes selection of images and other bits, too) and it pastes straight into Word.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

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