Re: Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard
Walker, Michael E
Gene, I understood what you meant. If you want to get the functionality I am describing into NVDA, you, Brian, and others in this discussion are just going to need to fire up JAWS in demo mode, and see for yourself. I am not sure how else to explain it. In JAWS, if I select a partial bit of text, formatting is retained, which is what I need in the workplace. Keep in mind Gene’s point about college and employment.
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A minor corredction. I meant to say can't in this sentence:
Without browse mode, you can't move as though there were a cursor because there isn't one, except in edit fields. In other words, in Browse Mode, you can move as though there were a cursor and with Browse Mode off, you can't.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about retaining formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard
Which is why I said to select the entire page, control a, Copy it to the clipboard, then paste it into a program where the formatting is retained and edit it there. The whole point of browse mode is to give you a virtual cursor so you can move around the page as though there were a real cursor and it also reformats the page in some ways to make reading logical for blind readers.
Without browse mode, you can move as though there were a cursor because there isn't one, except in edit fields.
The question is, when you select using the virtual cursor, are you selecting text as it appears in the virtual cursor or as it appears on the actual page? Formatting, the kind of font, italics, etc. may be retained either way. Try down arrowing through a table in browse mode and select as you go. Copy to the clipboard and paste in a program. Are the columns arranged as they should be or are they all columns, one underneath the other as they appear in browse mode.
I just tried this on one site. Note the difference:
Browse mode on:
Browse Mode off:
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
29 30 31 1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31 1
That is how the table appears to a sighted person.
I would think other structures are altered where advantageous to a blind reader using Browse Mode as well.
When corresponding with sighted people, it is often important to be able to reproduce material from Internet pages as it appears on the page, not as browse mode reformats it for blind users.
JAWS gives the user a choice, copy from virtual PC cursor or copy from page, NVDA doesn't and this is an ability that must be added if NVDA is going to be a work and academically properly capable screen-reader.
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How do you know what you are selecting? When I go to asp.net and press h in Firefox to get to the first heading, I then press NVDA+space bar, to activate focus mode. When I press shift+down arrow after that, NVDA does not announce what I am selecting. The heading was not selected, when I pasted into Outlook, but other text was, and the formatting was retained.
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