Re: academics and employment
Mike
Gene, firstly, I did not mean anything malicious toward the group or you. Secondly, my entire sentence about crashing was taken out of context. I did not mean to imply that JAWS crashed the first time I used it. I do not generalize on every system…
You are right! I am not saying you are wrong about JAWS, OK? JAWS lets you create custom labels and other things NVDA does not. I also agree with you on using JAWS on a VPN. I am not against you or the group on anything! Calm down! Yes, JAWS will let you create frames. Yes, JAWS will let you create graphics labels and other stuff.
This was nothing intended for the group to get upset about. I definitely didn’t mean anything in a bad way.
Best, Mike
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment
I am not convinced that this discription of JAWS crashing all the time is accurate as a generalization. It is one person's experience on how many computers, one, more than one? You can't ever generalize performance from the report of one person. If the report is based on JAWS being used on perhaps three or four different computers then, while still not generalizable, it has a bit of a very small sample. But I don't believe in trying to build up NVDA's reputation by circulating messages that criticize JAWS in this way. I have no objection to the message being sent to the list as part of a discussion. I object to advocating that it be widely circulated.
And those who do believe in this strategy might consider that those who want to build up JAWS or another product can find things in NVDA to criticize.
Let's consider a few important shortcomings that are especially important in employment situations.
You can't change how structures are interpreted in NVDA, such as telling it to read something as a list when it isn't to see if it can work with that imposed structure better. You can't create frames. I once set up JAWS for someone using a VPN to read the exact lines on the screen necessary to log in. I may have done other things as well to have JAWS read specific parts of the screen automatically or by issuing a command so the person could use the program she needed with proper control and without very excessive verbiage. You can't do that with NVDA. Someone has to write a script. Research It was discussed, when it came out, as being able to be tailored to do something like read a proprietary data base used at a job.
Loyalty to NVDA is not productive if it stifles proper critiques of what needs improvement. No one is served.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Stewart Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment
Great endorsement! I love this one! Everyone please pass this message along!
Roger
On 8/17/2018 7:30 PM, Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student) wrote:
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