Which is why I said to select the
entire page, control a, Copy it to the clipboard, then paste
it into a program where the formatting is retained and edit it
there. The whole point of browse mode is to give you a
virtual cursor so you can move around the page as though there
were a real cursor and it also reformats the page in some ways
to make reading logical for blind readers.
Without browse mode, you can move
as though there were a cursor because there isn't one, except
in edit fields.
The question is, when you select
using the virtual cursor, are you selecting text as it appears
in the virtual cursor or as it appears on the actual page?
Formatting, the kind of font, italics, etc. may be retained
either way. Try down arrowing through a table in browse mode
and select as you go. Copy to the clipboard and paste in a
program. Are the columns arranged as they should be or are
they all columns, one underneath the other as they appear in
browse mode.
I just tried this on one site.
Note the difference:
Browse mode on:
Su
Mo
Tu
We
Th
Fr
Sa
29
30
31
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
1
Browse Mode off:
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
29 30 31 1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31 1
That is how the table appears to a sighted person.
I would think other
structures are altered where advantageous to a blind
reader using Browse Mode as well.
When corresponding with
sighted people, it is often important to be able to
reproduce material from Internet pages as it appears on
the page, not as browse mode reformats it for blind
users.
JAWS gives the user a choice,
copy from virtual PC cursor or copy from page, NVDA
doesn't and this is an ability that must be added if
NVDA is going to be a work and academically properly
capable screen-reader.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about retaining
formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard
How
do you know what you are selecting? When I go to asp.net and
press h in Firefox to get to the first heading, I then press
NVDA+space bar, to activate focus mode. When I press
shift+down arrow after that, NVDA does not announce what I
am selecting. The heading was not selected, when I pasted
into Outlook, but other text was, and the formatting was
retained.
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about retaining
formatting on the web when copying to the clipboard
Michael,
I was in the Google Chrome browser for that
testing cycle. I just did the same from Firefox for this
testing cycle, but I believe that it's in how we're doing our
selection that's different.
I don't use NVDA's select function, but go back
to native Windows text selection once I know where I want to
start from. I've mostly been using SHIFT + Down Arrow, with
NVDA in focus mode, and that's as Gene indicated. But if I
use Windows text selection keyboard commands the text is being
selected just as if I'd done so with the mouse (and that
includes selection of images and other bits, too) and it
pastes straight into Word.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit,
Version 1803, Build 17134
A little
kindness from person to person is better than a vast love
for all humankind.
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