Re: academics and employment
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Gene
Please read my message again. You will see
that I attributed no such motives to you nor did I say you said that JAWS
crashed the first time. What I objected to was a message in response to
yours that said that your message should be passed along by everyone. I
then gave some reasons I think it shouldn't. I then explicitly stated that
I have no objection to the message being sent to the list as a part of
discussion. But I don't think it is suitable to be used to promote
NVDA. I don't believe that you were
malicious or were against me or the group. what I objected to was the pass
it along widely request and I gave my reasons but I didn't object to your
message being sent to or discussed on list.
As far as JAWS crashing, you said:
JAWS is also way more heavyweight, and crashes over
the simplest things. I didn't object to the heavyweight description.
It may be much mor heavyweight, as you say. I personally am not sure if
that matters a lot on modern fast machines but I didn't object to that.
But saying it crashes over the simplist things can very easily be interpreted as
that it crashes a lot since the simplist things may well be encountered very
often. I'm not saying that was your meaning, I'm saying that is a very
easy way to interpret what you said. And that was one of my reasons for
objecting to the pass it along request because, while that is your experience, I
don't know if it is generally true.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment Gene, firstly, I did not mean anything malicious toward the group or you. Secondly, my entire sentence about crashing was taken out of context. I did not mean to imply that JAWS crashed the first time I used it. I do not generalize on every system…
You are right! I am not saying you are wrong about JAWS, OK? JAWS lets you create custom labels and other things NVDA does not. I also agree with you on using JAWS on a VPN. I am not against you or the group on anything! Calm down! Yes, JAWS will let you create frames. Yes, JAWS will let you create graphics labels and other stuff.
This was nothing intended for the group to get upset about. I definitely didn’t mean anything in a bad way.
Best, Mike
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
I am not convinced that this discription of JAWS crashing all the time is accurate as a generalization. It is one person's experience on how many computers, one, more than one? You can't ever generalize performance from the report of one person. If the report is based on JAWS being used on perhaps three or four different computers then, while still not generalizable, it has a bit of a very small sample. But I don't believe in trying to build up NVDA's reputation by circulating messages that criticize JAWS in this way. I have no objection to the message being sent to the list as part of a discussion. I object to advocating that it be widely circulated.
And those who do believe in this strategy might consider that those who want to build up JAWS or another product can find things in NVDA to criticize.
Let's consider a few important shortcomings that are especially important in employment situations.
You can't change how structures are interpreted in NVDA, such as telling it to read something as a list when it isn't to see if it can work with that imposed structure better. You can't create frames. I once set up JAWS for someone using a VPN to read the exact lines on the screen necessary to log in. I may have done other things as well to have JAWS read specific parts of the screen automatically or by issuing a command so the person could use the program she needed with proper control and without very excessive verbiage. You can't do that with NVDA. Someone has to write a script. Research It was discussed, when it came out, as being able to be tailored to do something like read a proprietary data base used at a job.
Loyalty to NVDA is not productive if it stifles proper critiques of what needs improvement. No one is served.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Stewart Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment
Great endorsement! I love this one! Everyone please pass this message along!
Roger
On 8/17/2018 7:30 PM, Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student) wrote:
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