Re: academics and employment


Felix G.
 

Hi,
yes, there is a lot that screen readers can learn from each other, especially in terms of how they deal with the relatively new UIA challenge. If only people worked together more on this.
Best,
Felix

Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> schrieb am Di., 21. Aug. 2018 um 03:06 Uhr:

Hi,

I also urge anyone else having this issue to go here and comment.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8239


On 20-Aug-2018 8:03 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Regarding jaws being more heavyweight, I urge folks to copy, paste, or
> delete a file in windows explorer with NVDA and see what happens.
>
>
> For someone who does this on a daily basis for work, this is by far
> the biggest shortcoming. It's existed since windows 10 came into being
> and still exists today.
>
> There was someone on youtube the other day who had this exact same
> problem without any provocation - blind flightsimmer is his name.
> Shift tabbing from a file name edit box to try and browse the files,
> NVDA remained stubbornly silent whereas jaws read the list, first try.
>
>
> As far as jaws crashing goes, jaws, for me at least, has been
> recovering far more reliably than NVDA. That didn't used to be the
> case. Ever since I switched to chrome though NVDA and jaws have both
> been doing fantastically in comparison to firefox 60.
>
> On 20-Aug-2018 7:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>> Carrot brousing was usefull in the day for the blind, it made things
>> more accessible.
>>
>> Screenreaders were not as smart then.
>>
>> It was back in 1995 it was usefull.
>>
>> Not so much now, os and readers are smarter now.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2018 12:47 PM, Gene wrote:
>>> These things must be tested before it is known if they are at all
>>> useful.  Karret browsing is of no benefit to blind users.  I tested
>>> it because I thought that was what I had seen when I tested it a
>>> long time ago and my memory is correct.
>>>
>>> When you turn it on, if you were in browse mode, you stay in browse
>>> mode.  If you turn browse mode off, nothing is different from having
>>> karret mode off.   You hear nothing or nothing meaningful when you
>>> move using movement keys and you can't select text with shift and
>>> arrow keys.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Cohn, Jonathan
>>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:54 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io ; nvda@groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> It is my understanding that with both IE and Firefox one can enable
>>> the “caret browsing” functionality to allow selection of information
>>> from the Browser rendering rather than the virtual buffer when
>>> selecting on the web. SO, this should be another technique for
>>> retrieving content with its formatting intact.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker,
>>> Michael E. (UMSL-Student)
>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:30 PM
>>> To: nvda@groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] academics and employment
>>> Importance: Low
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> It is Mike who was talking to you all earlier about copy and paste.
>>> I am now on my personal e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to clarify what was said about the copy and paste system on
>>> the web needing to be perfected, for NVDA to be adequate for college
>>> and employment. Let us take a moment to think about what NVDA does
>>> for us, because of the hundreds if not thousands of man hours of
>>> development put into this. I pulled down the source from GitHub,
>>> after talking with Joseph Lee, to gain an appreciation of what goes
>>> into building this thing. It is incredible. I work for the Boeing
>>> Company. That is right. It is the same company that builds all the
>>> airplanes and Defense, Space, and security systems. I use NVDA as my
>>> primary screen reader in Git BASH, and Visual Studio Code. NVDA is
>>> what helped me build the Angular template for Boeing’s frontend
>>> architecture reference implementation. I only ever turn on JAWS, if
>>> I am using something highly proprietary like Citrix.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I think NVDA could use some improvements that proprietary screen
>>> readers have? Absolutely, but we must also remember the
>>> imperfections of proprietary readers. NVDA is the best reader I have
>>> found that supports Notepad++ and SQL Server Management Studio where
>>> JAWS repeats the lines, when I down arrow. JAWS is also way more
>>> heavyweight, and crashes over the simplest things. I cannot remember
>>> the last time NVDA froze.
>>>
>>>
>>> Overall, what we need is an attitude of gratitude. NVDA is plenty
>>> suited for education and employment, despite its imperfection and
>>> need for a bit of improvement. Let me close out by saying use
>>> Microsoft Narrator full-time for education and employment, or even
>>> Orca for Linux. They do not have half the shit NVDA does.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for taking the time to volunteer and develop NVDA.
>>> Keep up the great work! I will use NVDA until the day I die over JAWS.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mighty Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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