Re: academics and employment

Antony Stone

Imagine a non-blind person applying for, and getting, a job.

That person is expected to use the tools the employer provides, and to do the
job the way the employer dictates, even if the employee knows there might be
better tools or a better way.

If the employee wants to do things a different way, they're welcome to find a
different employer who thinks the same.

Blind employees have no more right to dictate the way the employer wants to
run their business than sighted employees. So long as the employer makes
sufficient provision that the blind person is *able* to do the job, that's
exactly the same as providing the sighted employee with tools that *work*,
even if they're not the best or most efficient tools.

Legislation aims to ensure that disabled people get the same chances as non-
disabled. Neither of those has to be the best way of doing things.


On Thursday 23 August 2018 at 23:31:42, brian wrote:

Gene this law does need to be changed we should have the right to
use the screen reader that will be the most effective for us on a job we
should not have to learn a new screen reader just they want to dictate
to us what screen reader we will use. If nvda is more effective for us
than jaws then we should have the right to use it under the ada law.
You and I will have to agree to disagree on this issue. No imployer
should ever have the right to tell what screen reader we will use.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/23/2018 12:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps you should have the option to make a case for the
screen-reader you want but not everything in life that flows from
having a disability confers a right. The employer has the right under
law to accommodate disabled workers as he/she sees fit if the
accomodation is effective. The law will never give the employee the
right to dictate to an employer how he runs his business.
----- Original Message -----
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*Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:44 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] academics and employment

I do think that we should have the right to use the screen reader
of our choice on a job. No imployer should have a right to tell us what
screen reader we will use. We may have to use both jaws and nvda to be
as productive as we possible as we can be. I do prefer nvda when I had
jaws 10 I did not care for it as much as I do nvda. My friend prefers
jaws to nvda but he will use nvda when it does things that jaws doesn't
read. It seems that if we ever say anything like this needs to be
improved we are being critical and that we don't appreciate the work
that is done for us. Thats just not true at all we are not bashing in
anyway but in everything there is always room for improving but if we
dare to state this then we get bashed on lists. There is nothing wrong
with using both jaws and nvda just like there is nothing wrong with
using more than one internet brouser. We use what ever works when we
need it and that may change over time so it's good to be very flexable
and be willing to conciter all of your options. A jaws user may
conciter using nvda and a nvda user might conciter using jaws when it
might be necessary to do so. This does not mean that you are changing
your screen reader you are just using annother tool to get the job
doneand thats all it is. some people seem to make it sound like the
oposite screen reader of theirs is almost usless because it is not the
one they use. If either really was almost usless it might be arround.
I know that of basic pc users just can't justify the high price of jaws
but that does not mean that they don't think that jaws ins is a bad
screen reader they just don't need all of the bells and whistles of
jaws. The fact that we can't make payments on jaws is a big deal
breaker for many blind people and nvda is free. They also feel after
nvda is free so if it does not read everything it's free anyway so I
will read what I can and I won't wory about what I can't read.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/18/2018 1:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Chris,

Yes, it appears from what I read that Gene prefers Jaws over NVDA.
We all

have the right to our own opinions. We should be able to agree to

After all, that's what life is all about--differing viewpoints. I
used Jaws

for years and both Jaws and NVDA are great programs. NVDA serves my

very well.


-----Original Message-----
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[] On Behalf Of Chris

Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:12 PM
To: <>
Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment

THis really has nothing to do with the current conversation, but I
have to

Since when did human society degrade to such a point that people
cannot have

different viewpoints on issues.
I happen to agree with Michael that I do like NVDA better than JAWS.
THat is not to say JAWS is a bad product. I just prefer NVDA over JAWS.
Jean, it appears that you prefer JAWS over NVDA. That's cool to.
Can't we

just agree to disagree?"
"Microsoft's profit margins require a monopoly lock on the market; thus,
they're stuck with being predatory evil bastards. The moment they stop being
predatory evil bastards, their stock price will tank and their options pyramid
will crash and it will be all over."

- Eric S Raymond

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