Thanks, Gene. I never really knew what locking and unlocking the mouse meant. As you said, easy enough to do now that I get it.

On 8/28/2018 1:53 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

yes you had to use object navigation to do it you would then find the column you wanted use the lock mouse button go to the place where you wanted it then unlock the mouse. It was quite easy to do but if people were not use to it they would not go there.

I think you could also do it with the physical mouse do the same thing.

when the golden cursor come to the add on website then it would let you use the arrow keys to move the mouse around and a bit more. Even labeling i think you call it hot spots.

That would make it super easy.

later on tonight I will add in a link to the tutorial on mozilla thunder bird to this add on. so people know it is there. I think some of the new users are not aware they can install add ons or where to go for extra functionality.

I just figured people knew it was there so did not add it into the tutorial but it looks as though people are unaware.

Gene nz

On 8/29/2018 3:09 AM, Kwork wrote:

That would be a reason I avoided it for so many years. I remember reading about this being a problem natively before. While I figured out how to show and hide columns using object navigation, I still can't figure out how to re-order them without the add-on. Probably some sort of drag and drop which I've never really gotten NVDA to do properly. JAWS has always had the edge there.

As I didn't want to use web mail, though GMail's basic html is quite accessible, and since I couldn't even get NVDA to read the setup screen for Microsoft's own mail program, I decided to fight with Thunderbird instead, at least for now.  My very favorite mail client I ever used was Windows Vista's version of Windows Mail, the only thing not great being that you couldn't have more than one identity. Outlook Express was my second favorite though large identities could get corrupt at times, losing all messages in the process, something Windows Mail on Vista solved by having each message be its own file rather than the full identity be one large file. A dream program for me would have been Vista's Windows Mail, but with identities added, but with the messages still being one to a file rather than the whole identity.

I tried Windows Live, but it was moving very slow on this machine, even the earlier installer Brian had saved.

Travis

On 8/28/2018 7:46 AM, Gene wrote:

While Thunderbird is generally accessible, I consider this ability not being accessible in the program to be a significant failure to make the program accessible.  If the designers are going to follow an eccentric layout for who knows why, they have an obligation to make changing it accessible, especially since this format change affects blind screen-reader users significantly. 

 

That's one reason I refuse to use the program.  I consider this to be a serious enough disregarding of accessibility that I refuse to use it unless I really need to.  I know there are ways around the problem but this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth and the problem has been around for years, as long as I've casually followed the program, which has been perhaps eight years or more. 

 

The designers must have gotten complaints over the years, probably a lot of them. 

 

Gene

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Same here, Travis. That's one of my biggest pet peeves about Thunderbird, the fact that it displays the subject first instead of the sender's name. So far, I haven't been able to find a way to fix this, either. That's one  reason why I tried the mail app, which does display messages with the sender first.

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