Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


Gene
 

I'm not sure I understand the problem and I don't know if this is a problem specific to your computer or not.  I don't think anyone has reported this on the site other than you and I don't recall seeing this problem in general.  I can't say never, because who knows what sites I've seen with unusual scripting but I don't recall seeing this discussed before.  At this point, we can't assume, without more discussion, that this is a general problem. 
 
Also, if people don't know how to deal with forms where you have to arrow instead of tab, then they won't be able to work with a lot of forms.  I did an Internet tutorial years ago because so many blind people didn't, and probably still don't, know how to deal with sites that have various common problems but are completely useable, if not completely accessible, by the definition of accessibility.  Useability, even good useability does not necessitate perfect accessibility.  And perfect accessibility still doesn't mean the site will be convenient to use.  Read some New York Times articles.  The site is perfectly accessible.  But there are links to different articles in the middle of article text, interruptions asking for reader information on the issue being discussed if it is very contraversial, and blocks of links, sometimes five or more, in the middle of articles  Compared to that, this site is a model of convenience. 
 
Convenience of reading has significantly decreased over the years because more and more sites have gotten rid of printer version links to articles.  The problem with this site is minor compared to how things are changing on sites in general.
 
Should the owner correct the problem?  Yes.  He may be completely unaware of it if the site still works properly with JAWS.  But this is an example of where users have not been properly taught, either by trainers, or by training material.  It is very poor training not to teach people various methods to deal with such problems as this, which are common.  There are who knows how many millions of sites in the world.  You can't be a good Internet user unless you know how to deal with common problems. 
 
Maybe people who are angry about the small problem with this site should redirect their anger to the large problem of inferior, completely inadequate, training blind Internet users get in so many instances that makes use of sites with minor problems so difficult for them.  With the millions upon millions of sites around the world, this is a serious problem.  I don't know if there is an NVDA tutorial on Internet use but whether there is or not, if such training isn't given in the tutorial, serious consideration should be given to adding it. 
 
I did a comprehensive Internet tutorial years ago.  It took perhaps twenty or thirty hours of work.  I don't have the patience to do another, updated tutorial.  I would be willing to help if one is being prepared now or if one already exists.  I'd be willing to review it and make changes or suggest changes.  But let's keep this in perspective.  That this form has generated so much discussion is not the main issue.  the inadequate training blind people get is.
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Yes but that was not happening. It seems to me like its jumping to the wrong
field or nvda thinks its in one while it is in another. The thing is, most
sites are fine so what is it about some that causes the jumping issue?
 Brian

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From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@...>
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


> Hi
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> I remember a while back jamie saying at times what is meant to be going
> with that field was not read correctly. In most cases it might of been
> if done correctly but alot of times it was not.
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> I have no problem with going into a edit area if i tab into it then
> arrowing up to see what the field name is and if it corospondes with
> athat field.
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> in other cases where it is done correctly it is automatically read out
> so then it goes back to the people who done say the form etc it is not
> done correctly by the guide lines.
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> If all guide lines were done correctly there would not be some of these
> hacks.
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> Just a simple example you ask a user of the shark how do you jump down
> to the notification area and they would give you a shortcut insert key +
> f11 if i remember.
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> yet a windows command is Windows key + letter B the arrow to what you
> want.
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> In a form i have used another screen reader and heard it say the wrong
> things for the areas that you tabbed into.. it is like it does not line
> up correctly and the only way is to arrow up to see what is correct.
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> I did not see the link but i guess i would be able to fill it in no
> worries it would have to be pretty bad not to.
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> Any how if it is goverment yes they can fix if you tell them if private
> they do not have to there as far as i know is no law.
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> A good web developer would fix the problem if you told them or may even
> test to see if you told them you used a screen reader and which one and
> how to reproduce the problem.
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> One who does not care will just leave it.
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> Gene nz
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> Gene nz
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> On 8/31/2018 9:34 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> There lots of sites like this. Some work in jaws but not nvda and some
>> the reverse. Does anyone know if there is an agreed convention to
>> where the text of the field identifier should be or whether a page
>> author can add some code to force screen readers to read it?
>> I've also come across the same issue on surveys where one does not
>> know if the checkbox or radio button is before or after the legend and
>> in others graphic tags are used with no alt tags.
>> Somebody needs to sort these issues out and come up with hard and fast
>> rules for everyone to use I think.
>> Brian
>>
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian" <sackriderbrian45@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:29 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
>>
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>>> When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to
>>> edit box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version
>>> of fire fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I
>>> tab from edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add
>>> ons disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on
>>> for years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
>>> occures in every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign
>>> up for email newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't
>>> know what information is required in each edit box this makes the
>>> site not accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda
>>> and the latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.
>>>
>>> Brian Sackrider
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