Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


I can remember when there was no such thing as a virtual buffer or
browse mode or whatever the various flavors of screen readers wish to
call it. It was a nightmare! I think Dr. Rick has it right--we have
tools in the toolbox for a reason. To say a site is completely
inaccessible when all a person wants to use is a screwdriver but they
have a hammer & a wrench & pliers at their disposal, is inaccurate at
best & libelous at worst. I have no affiliations whatever w/Blind
Mice. None, nada, zip. But I do know Dale Campbell a little & I do
remember when he had that site built. It was maybe 4 years ago? I
remember he was having quite a bit of trouble then, &, although I
don't know how much it cost, it had to have set him back a pretty
penny. Small businesses cannot afford that every year or even every
couple years, for that matter. They're also rather at the mercy of the
folks who are constructing the site. So if they get someone who
doesn't know what they're doing (& I am not at all saying this is the
case--I think it has to do far more w/the change in accessibility
guidelines & the implementation of newer technologies), then the
business is screwed if their folks don't do it right. I've seen this
so often! I think we need to be reasonable in our requests. If the
site truly is unusable, or if we spend an hour filling out a form that
should've taken us 10 minutes w/accessibility in place, then, yes, of
course, they need to be contacted. But if all that's required is a few
judicious presses of the down arrow key, then I'm not sure that making
demands & saying they should be shuttered is at all reasonable. I
think many truly don't understand what's involved in constructing a
website, as well as the expense involved. For large institutions, it's
a drop in the bucket. For small businesses, it can spell the
difference between keeping the lights on & not being able to support
one's family. Truly liberal application of the golden rule makes the
world a better place for all to live in & let live. & the truth is
that it is possible to be 100% in compliance w/accessibility
guidelines & nonetheless have a completely unusable site, while the
converse is also at least partially true. But the truth is totally
that if folks don't avail themselves, for whatever the reasons, of the
tools at their disposal, they're going to miss out on an awful lot.

On 8/31/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Sometimes, a lot of fuss can be used constructively, as demonstrated by the
progression of the thread.

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is.

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From: <> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: August 30, 2018 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

The problem is that the site is based on older technology. No--the tab key
does not work particularly well on the site, as is the case w/many sites.
But using arrow keys works very well. Using them, all form fields are
labeled, etc, using latest stable NVDA, Firefox, & Chrome.

So those who are having problems--have you tried using arrow keys? You know,
folks, it can cost a lot of money to keep websites up w/the latest
technologies. & these evolve so rapidly that one can find oneself in a
position of almost constantly having to pay for a revamp.
If the site truly were inaccessible, I'd have something to say--if for no
other reason that the web is what I do--but this from my experience is not
inaccessible nor has it ever been. Try up/down arrow keys, yall. I think
you'll like the results.

On 8/30/18, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:
somone who can fill out the contact form can contact them as I
said I have always had this problem so that means for several versions
of nvda so maybe we need an add on to read edit boxes when you tab
from edit box to edit box so you can hear what you need to put in to
the edit boxes.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 10:06 PM, Gene wrote:
Please stop rushing to condemnation. You have no grounds to not
purchase from the site. You don't know if this is a problem just
with new versions of NVDA. I looked at the site a number of years
ago and I didn't use Chrome. It worked properly. Please get the
facts about these kinds of situations before rushing to judgment. If
this is an NVDA problem, it is not a Mice Mart problem. If it only
happends in current or very recent versions of NVDA, then something
has very likely changed in NVDA. Once we determine if the problem is
very likely an NVDA or a site problem, we don't know if the site has
been contacted and how they have responded. If it is there proboem,
do they know about it? You have no facts.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:17 PM
*To:* <>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Hi, Brian,

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that
has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll
shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.


*From:* <>
[] *On Behalf Of *brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
*To:* <>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have
always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what
it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site using
an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem. I also
looked at it years ago and saw no such problem.


----- Original Message -----

*From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...>

*Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

*To:* <>

*Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of
fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab
edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on
years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for
newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider

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