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Hahaha, I hear you. I also rely much on the insert key, so it's
death would not make me happy.
Gene's workaround actually helped me quite a bit.
On 9/2/2018 12:49 PM, Annette Moore
what I do, when NVDA doesn't read the list of folders or files
in File Explorer, if I don't just become impatient and restart
NVDA altogether, which does solve the probem temporarily, is to
down arrow through the files because some of them I know from
going through them before what they are, and just entering on
the one I think is the one I want. If it isn't, I just hit
backspace and keep going. I've found ways to deal with this File
Explorer sluggishness, but it can be a pain. And I really hate
to say this because I love NVDA, but it doesn't do this in
System Access. System Access has its own quirks in Windows 10,
though, one of which drives me even more batty than the sluggish
File Explorer list not being read quickly by NVDA, and
sometimes not even at all, does, and that is what I call the
dead insert key. I can live with a sluggish file explorer; I
cannot live without my insert key. Another thing that helps is
simply to close file explorer altogether and reopen it. I'm
trying to figure out a pattern for why it does this, but I can't
seem to. It *really* does it with Dropbox, though; in fact, when
I copy and paste a file or folder from Dropbox into somewhere
else on my computer, I just automatically restart NVDA. I don't
even mess with it. So yeah, I've figured out ways to deal with
it and I can live with it, but glorious will be the day when it
no longer happens. I'll celebrate! Honestly! LOL!
On 9/2/2018 2:25 PM, Gene wrote:
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will
see if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result
of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate
with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about
it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may
have found a partial work around. I don't use Windows 10 so
you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of my general
comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others who
know more technically may comment on whether this is a
Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA
developers to solve it.
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file.
Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it
were its own object, which it is. The command to move by
object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep
holding insert and pressing six to move through the list. To
move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you
want to open something, it will not be selected. use the
command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command
twice, once to select the item, once to open it. You are
doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an
item. You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting,
then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the
same sequence a mouse user follows.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent
other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then
get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.