Re: Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?


That's absurd.  Almost every program I install brings up the can't verify the publisher message.  When I tell the installer to run, my antimalware program does nothing.  I have never had an antimalware program that does.  That is such an incompetent way of trying to determine that a program is malicious that no remotely competently designed program would use it.

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Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?

Thats the official definition.

Unoficially it seems to be anything installed on the computer which is
not certified by microsoft, varisign or other previder.

The os for example is never malware, microsoft office documents can be
but microsoft office is not malware.

Anything else and everything else is fair game no matter where it comes
from unless x company sues the security company to stop it.

On 9/9/2018 8:28 AM, Jackie wrote:
> FYI, the most commonly accepted definition of malware as used by
> security pros is software that is installed on a user's computer w/o
> their knowledge or consent.
> On 9/8/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
>> I think there are better ways of expressing that than saying "every software
>> package you use is malware".
>> Also, why should an anti-virus scanner claim that something that simply
>> hasn't
>> been signed by Microsoft is malware?  Firstly, it has to give a name to the
>> virus or Trojan that has been found in the package, and secondly any scanner
>> which kept giving false positive results would quickly lose reputation to
>> the
>> competition, who search for actual virus code rather than assuming "not
>> signed
>> by Microsoft" = "suspicious".
>> Antony.
>> On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:15:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>> Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
>>> valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.
>>> That was my point.
>>> Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
>>> hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
>>> use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
>>> to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.
>>> On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>> What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?
>>>> Antony.
>>>> On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>>>> To be honest, every software package you use is malware.
>>>>> And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
>>>>> certification system based on signatures.
>>>>> While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to
>>>>> certain
>>>>> companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
>>>>> high profile use it but most of us don't.
>>>>> If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
>>>>> fine.
>>>>> If not it needs to be trusted.
>>>>> With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
>>>>> keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year
>>>>> or
>>>>> so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security
>>>>> system
>>>>> or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
>>>>> use it.
>>>>> On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:
>>>>>> lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
>>>>>> think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as
>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>> harmful.
>>>>>> 360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
>>>>>> NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
>>>>>> that NVDA is no malware...
>>>>>> Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
>>>>>> have time.
>>>>>> Ciao,
>>>>>> Ollie
>> --
>> A user interface is like a joke.
>> If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.
>>                                                     Please reply to the
>> list;
>>                                                           please *don't* CC
>> me.

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