Well I am using 12.6 now thanks for that suggestion.

The issue is that apple uses the universal app system now for both the itunes things app and desktop.

I am back on itunes business, the main reason I update itunes is for the latest apple os updates, but to be honest I guess that doesn't matter, 12.65 works, had to recreate my library and the store sucks but at least I can use it now.

Itunes is a bit clunky but so is outlook, I don't mind the app now I have gotten used to it.

Once we can get the main window of the app to play with nvda nicely we will be ok.

Though to be honest I like my app deployment back again.

I do want to be able to use the latest, and to be honest apple hardware while expensive is still something I like, icloud is a bit better, storage plans are good, someone has  on twitter that ios 12 gold release is really good.

If they would get their windows ports of icloud and itunes working reasonably well well who knows.

Apple accessibility do know, and its probably a simple matter, itunes universal app is the norm, the desktop version is the desktop version but using the universal app system.

The menus and dialogs work well enough.