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Re: NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Gene
 

There were certain kinds of refreshes that JAWS couldn't stop.  I don't know if that is still true because I very seldom use JAWS now.  But Firefox gave the user the ability to have the browser notify the user when the page wanted to redirect or refresh and, as far as I know, that blocked all such efforts. 
 
Why was the feature removed?  Was there even proper consultation between the developers and those who work on accessibility?  Didn't any blind beta testers notice and complain about the removal?  Who knows.  I see no reason that it needed to be removed.  I see no way in which new features added in the Quantum version make it necessary to remove the feature.  But whether I am right or wrong, this topic needs to be addressed by the developers, either by publicly explaining the necessity of the feature's removal or by implementing it again.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Hi Gene,


Going back to about 7 or 8 years ago, I find that even with JAWS feature of repressing page refreshes, for some reason, web pages still continued to refresh over and over again.  I am wondering if for some reason, this feature--whether it is screen reader based or browser based simply doesn't work any more.  I remember reporting on the beta team years ago about Yahoo Sports--which refreshed every 30 seconds or so during ongoing sports games and neither the Firefox nor the JAWS page refreshed did anything to stop the refreshes.  This is perhaps a web design issue as much as anything else and may be why Mozilla eliminated this feature.



On 9/19/2018 2:46 PM, Gene wrote:
If you are comparing what happens with the Quantum version of Firefox to what happened in versions that aren't quantum concerning refreshes, an important feature was removed from quantum and I consider it essential that people let those responsible for accessibility know about this. 
 
There was a setting before Quantum that would have the browser tell you if a page wanted to refresh or redirect.  You would manually have to approve the action.  That option is no longer available in Quantum  That may be why the page refreshes now and not in whatever version you were using before.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing

Update, rebooted my system after NVDA update and the website still acts
as if it's refreshing.
Lstart.att.net
No longer does NVDA seem like it wants to crash. Just the refreshing
proble at my home page.

On 9/19/2018 8:38 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
> i have Firefox Portable ESR_60.2.0 _ 64 bit. I normally use NVDA and
> even tried Jaws and narrator and all 3 seem as if they want to crash,
> but just go silent for up to 30 seconds or so. Web pages keep
> refreshing. NVDA key plus F-7 or insert f-7 for Jaws don't give me a
> list of links. This is  where I gave up. All 3 screen readers are
> current. and I'm running
> Windows version: Windows 10Ver1803 (64-bit) build 17134.286
> Glad I didn't allow my FX 52.x to update to 60.2.0 Forgot to mention, I
> have a Lenovo laptop, don't know what series it is though.
>
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