Re: Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>

Good luck Joseph in your future projects! You'll sure be missed as list admin!

El 01/06/2016 03:57 p.m., David Moore escribió:
Hi Joseph,
Thank you for challenging us in the way you did. We will miss you greatly as moderator, but I am so happy that you will continue to be a part of the NVDA community. I am telling more and more people about the NVDA community as I use and help others to use this awesome screen reader. Thank you for everything.

-----Original Message----- From: Gary Bowers
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Hi Joseph,

Thank you for your continuing contributions to NVDA, and for your eloquent
farewell message.


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask
not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA
users, developers, supporters and others:

For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator
welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought
about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people
from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced
tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series,
learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down
from the moderator's podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not
regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my
place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running
this community.

As I step down from this position, I'd like to request that you please
listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:

You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a
movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA
screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, "this is a mailing list for users
only". This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public
information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice,
how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the

Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures
clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a
mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a
product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds,
different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so
on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better
to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars
and so forth.

Lastly, if there is one advice I'd like to pass on, it would be a quote from
a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do
for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to
something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA,
NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you
can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a
welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask
what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.

As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had
will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I'll do my best to
follow our new moderator's wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping
away from moderator's podium does not mean I'll leave this community -
whatever new role I'm assigned to, I'll do my best to carry out my duties as
a member of this community.

Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience
serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.

Audio version of this letter (entitled "Farewell Address to NVDA mailing
list") can be found at:


Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers
Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users

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Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México

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