Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron Canazzi

Hi Group,

What you do is to get a demo of JAWS and any other paid commercial software and use it in cases where NVDA doesn't work. Also, if you are using Windows 10 (and hopefully any further Windows upgrade in the future) you can use Narrator free of charge for problem areas.

On 9/27/2018 6:09 PM, brian wrote:

    Gene how do you suggest that blind people obtain more than screen reader?  Nvda is free and you can't make payments on the comercial screenreaders.  Are you willing to start a fund for the purchasse of screen readers or are you going to advocate that thecompanies offer payment plans?  I use nvda because it's all that I can aford and rember that most blind people are living on disability or ssi income and don't forget about the 80 unimployment rate of the blind.  Your suggesion is a very good one but it's not doable for the majority of the blind how do you hope to change this?  If you ask your commission for the blind you will be told that only for a job if even then you will have to write up a business plan.  If you ask your local lions club you might be told no or we would like to but that would take all of our budget for the whole year.  As I said your idea is not wrong but how can it be done?  This one reason that more blind people don't have a computer it was for me for years.  Your screen reader should never cost more than the cost of a good high end pc.  If you are lucky enough to live in a town that has a local liberary for the blind then might have a work station but thats not the case for alot of blind people.  It seems like every once in a while this comes up that blind people should have this or that with  no suggestion as to how to bring this about it should just happen.  We are not richas some people seem to think we are.  As to the matter of proper training on the use of internet and screen reader it does not seem tobe available.  Training centers and rehab centers are not doing this.  It's just learn on your own thats been the case for me and I am sure foralot of many blind people.  When can we get the proper training how will we get there and who will pay for it?  Blind people are just not tought problem solving skills at many training centers.  It's just basic survivle skills and no more even if you request it. 

Brian Sackrider   

On 9/27/2018 1:52 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that this isn't occurring on the Internet.  I haven't used enough sites that are out of my usual use to say.  I am making a general statement about blind people using only one screen-reader, as so many do.  This is the result of poore training.  I wasn't refering specifically to or only to the Internet.  I was discussing how so many blind people don't realize the advantages to using more than one screen-reader on the Internet or elsewhere.  If blind people knew what I said in my last message in the thread, they might be more willing to try other screen-readers so that when one screen-reader doesn't do something well, they might be able to do the thing better or well using another screen-reader.
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All it takes is one element that is a show stopper for someone, and that can cause them to stop using a screenreader and give up using a computer.

I have been a computer user and teacher since the days of DOS, and I have spent hours stuck on a page because of inaccessible pages that have no work-around, unless you come to a list like this to find out some obscure technique that happens to work.

It sure seems like more and more of this is happening, and it is difficult for screenreaders to keep up.

I don’t agree with your assertion that it is just a matter of training.

I think with this most recent trend, we will see less and less Blind people being able to access pages.

I don’t know the solution, but I see a bad trend here.

I hope I’m wrong about the trend.



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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:04 AM
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That's largely because of poor training, however.  Not for everything, but for a lot of what people do, you can learn perhaps ten or fifteen commands that are different for a different screen-reader and do a lot of what you could do before.  Most of what people do uses Windows or program commands.  a different screen-reader may use different screen review commands and a different command for read title bar and certain other commands, but a lot of what people do would be the same because a lot of what is done doesn't use screen-reader commands.



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From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 9:43 AM

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Although this concept of using multiple screenreaders is okay for those of us who can do that, but if it comes to that as generally accepted practice, then the majority of users are left behind.




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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:48 AM
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 08:58 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Simply told, the procedure is unaccessible so cal your bank and tel them.

Not that I don't think this is a good idea, because it is, but you also have to understand that accessibility will always be, to some extent, a game of catch up.

Web coding keeps changing at blinding speed, and that's not going to stop.  Sometimes it's a matter of the screen readers catching up to it, and particularly when the reason for doing a certain thing a certain way revolves around increased security.

It's really generally helpful to check to see if what doesn't work under one screen reader might work under another if you happen to have a system with two or more screen readers available.  That can help to tease out where the issue might lie.

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

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