I didn't say that this isn't occurring on the Internet. I
haven't used enough sites that are out of my usual use to
say. I am making a general statement about blind people using
only one screen-reader, as so many do. This is the result of
poore training. I wasn't refering specifically to or only to
the Internet. I was discussing how so many blind people don't
realize the advantages to using more than one screen-reader on
the Internet or elsewhere. If blind people knew what I said
in my last message in the thread, they might be more willing
to try other screen-readers so that when one screen-reader
doesn't do something well, they might be able to do the thing
better or well using another screen-reader.
Gene,
All it takes is one element that is
a show stopper for someone, and that can cause them to
stop using a screenreader and give up using a computer.
I have been a computer user and
teacher since the days of DOS, and I have spent hours
stuck on a page because of inaccessible pages that have no
work-around, unless you come to a list like this to find
out some obscure technique that happens to work.
It sure seems like more and more of
this is happening, and it is difficult for screenreaders
to keep up.
I don’t agree with your assertion
that it is just a matter of training.
I think with this most recent
trend, we will see less and less Blind people being able
to access pages.
I don’t know the solution, but I
see a bad trend here.
I hope I’m wrong about the trend.
Glenn
That's largely because of poor
training, however. Not for everything, but for a lot of
what people do, you can learn perhaps ten or fifteen
commands that are different for a different
screen-reader and do a lot of what you could do before.
Most of what people do uses Windows or program
commands. a different screen-reader may use different
screen review commands and a different command for read
title bar and certain other commands, but a lot of what
people do would be the same because a lot of what is
done doesn't use screen-reader commands.
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Although this concept of using
multiple screenreaders is okay for those of us who can do
that, but if it comes to that as generally accepted
practice, then the majority of users are left behind.
Glenn
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 08:58 AM, Davy
Cuppens wrote:
Simply told, the procedure is
unaccessible so cal your bank and tel them.
Not that I don't think this is a good
idea, because it is, but you also have to understand that
accessibility will always be, to some extent, a game of
catch up.
Web coding keeps changing at blinding speed, and that's not
going to stop. Sometimes it's a matter of the screen
readers catching up to it, and particularly when the reason
for doing a certain thing a certain way revolves around
increased security.
It's really generally helpful to check to see if what
doesn't work under one screen reader might work under
another if you happen to have a system with two or more
screen readers available. That can help to tease out where
the issue might lie.
--
Brian - Windows
10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
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countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist
with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows
that this is untrue. . .
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