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Can I test the Alpha version?
its updating automatically?
From: firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Snapshot types
While I don't disagree with you, most of the errors and issues which have required additional RC's and stable releases, have been from issues which do not affect everyone, but for those they affect, they would manifest very quickly. Which is why we get these reports almost immediately after releasing the new version.
I think then, that the issue is not so much the length of time of the beta cycle, but how do we get more people, on different systems, to try the betas earlier?
Yes I have a portable running on Alpha, but I seem to recall that before the
renaming you also allowed beta snaps to be put up much earlier, as five
weeks sounds a short time for the great unwashed like myself to have enough
experience of a running everyday version to find the more obscure things. I
think the release record of the last version shows this to be true as there
had to be many more iterations of the RC and finally a couple of updates to
stable. If you look back when the beta length was longer you find fewer
versions after a stable was issued.
In a way I think many programmers underestimate the time needed to fully
test increasingly complex code.
I used to know a person whose first test of any software was to randomly do
stuff on the keyboard and you would be surprised how often such an
apparently random act would thro up a problem with the software crashing.
Just my opinion of 68 years on the planet.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Snapshot types
> Hi Brian,
> Apologies if you've asked this before and I missed it :)
> The new release process is that Alpha builds come out quite regularly,
> every few days or sometimes several in a day, like the old "next"
> The key point about Beta releases is: "
> - Starting from 5 weeks before final release, tagged beta releases will
> be published periodically, allowing the wider community to try out the
> betas. At this stage code originally introduced through master will have
> been tested for at least 2 weeks, thus the beta builds can be seen as
> So, if you are interested in testing the latest "bleeding edge" code which
> gets updated regularly, then you want the Alpha snapshots (with the usual
> caveat that while they usually work fine, they may not be completely
> or work in every situation - in which case please let us know, and also
> keep a stable build handy).
> If you want a more reliably stable experience but still want to test out
> new features before the masses, Beta should have you covered for that and
> you'll start to get those about 5 weeks before a new release is due (the
> last beta cycle was longer, being the first time we'd changed to that
> All the snapshots are available from the snapshots page at:
> If you'd like to read the release process in full, you can find it here:
> Kind regards
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:54 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> I know I asked a similar question before, but looking at the email list
>> different snap releases I see alpha and beta, yet on the snapshot web
>> it seems only alpha have updated, the beta is showing rc versions of the
>> last stable release. Am I missing something here, or are betas not
>> on the site?
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