Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA
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Gene
You are evidently talking about looking at dates in
the calendar in the XP System Restore. This shows the importance of
looking at interfaces and finding alternative ways of doing something if they
exist. XP has a show next and show previous day button. it also has
a show next and previous month button. I never used the calendar. I
used these buttons. If I wanted to go back two or three days, I would
press the show previous day button two times if I wanted to go back two days or
three times if I wanted to go back three days. Then, any restore point or
points would be shown as links. It is a web-page-like interface.
Never assume what is or isn't in an interface. And if one screen-reader
just says button, button, try another. I believe that NVDA didn't see the
labels for all of the buttons in System Restore. I'm explaining all this
not because a lot of people use XP any longer. I'm explaining it to show
how, if people assume and don't try another screen-reader, or maybe two, they
may render a task almost undoable when it's actually quite easy.
Also regarding the buttons, my recollection is that
JAWS didn't read the labels unless you turned off the virtual PC cursor, then it
did. So you have to do things that wouldn't be necessary if the interface
were properly accessible but it is very useable, though not properly
accessible.
As I said, never assume and look around.
Those are very important things to keep in mind. I realize that there are
people with all sorts of different skills and knowledge on the list but there
are many people who hamper themselves, sometimes considerably, because they have
the knowledge and the underlying skills but they don't look around and they
assume.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with
NVDA sign is missing. If this marking as red is an alternative, it should I would have thought be expected that the software would be able to toggle between marking in colour and a minus sign. That would seem to lay this particular weirdness at Microsofts door. It is a bit like the stupid problem in the XP system restore where in order to work out which dates had restore points you had to find out the style of font it was written in! Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA Hi, Fixing this will require looking at not only what accessibility API’s say, but also the object model for Excel and possible variations across Excel releases (made a bit complicated these days thanks to Office 365 and Office 2016/2019 transition). Cheers, Joseph From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA Mary, I just played with this and was shocked that NVDA did not read "negative" along with the number when this formatting is used. It is one of the standard formats allowed by Excel for negative numbers and the fact that it is negative is something that the screen reader should be detecting. The display should be entirely secondary to the actual cell content when it comes to what gets read. As far as I'm concerned this should be considered a bug. That being said, Narrator makes the same mistake (which is still a bug, which I've reported via the Feedback Hub). -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors. ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005) |
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