Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA


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I do also think, though that when you listen to people from companies like Microsoft saying they have made this or that accessible, it should be so, not need the person to be trying lots of different ways to make work something which does not.
I'm not criticising you, just saying that there are mitigating circumstances and we are still battling against the problem of the manufacturer not understanding the problem for us that speech is a narrow band feedback system unlike sight.
Lets use as an Example the continuously changing Skype problems as an example!
Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 1:17 PM
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You are evidently talking about looking at dates in the calendar in the XP System Restore. This shows the importance of looking at interfaces and finding alternative ways of doing something if they exist. XP has a show next and show previous day button. it also has a show next and previous month button. I never used the calendar. I used these buttons. If I wanted to go back two or three days, I would press the show previous day button two times if I wanted to go back two days or three times if I wanted to go back three days. Then, any restore point or points would be shown as links. It is a web-page-like interface. Never assume what is or isn't in an interface. And if one screen-reader just says button, button, try another. I believe that NVDA didn't see the labels for all of the buttons in System Restore. I'm explaining all this not because a lot of people use XP any longer. I'm explaining it to show how, if people assume and don't try another screen-reader, or maybe two, they may render a task almost undoable when it's actually quite easy.

Also regarding the buttons, my recollection is that JAWS didn't read the labels unless you turned off the virtual PC cursor, then it did. So you have to do things that wouldn't be necessary if the interface were properly accessible but it is very useable, though not properly accessible.

As I said, never assume and look around. Those are very important things to keep in mind. I realize that there are people with all sorts of different skills and knowledge on the list but there are many people who hamper themselves, sometimes considerably, because they have the knowledge and the underlying skills but they don't look around and they assume.

Gene
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To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen a spreadsheet where the leading -
sign is missing. If this marking as red is an alternative, it should I would
have thought be expected that the software would be able to toggle between
marking in colour and a minus sign.


That would seem to lay this particular weirdness at Microsofts door. It is a
bit like the stupid problem in the XP system restore where in order to work
out which dates had restore points you had to find out the style of font it
was written in!

Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 11:53 PM
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Hi,

Fixing this will require looking at not only what accessibility API’s say,
but also the object model for Excel and possible variations across Excel
releases (made a bit complicated these days thanks to Office 365 and Office
2016/2019 transition).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA



Mary,

I just played with this and was shocked that NVDA did not read
"negative" along with the number when this formatting is used. It is one of
the standard formats allowed by Excel for negative numbers and the fact that
it is negative is something that the screen reader should be detecting. The
display should be entirely secondary to the actual cell content when it
comes to what gets read.

As far as I'm concerned this should be considered a bug. That
being said, Narrator makes the same mistake (which is still a bug, which
I've reported via the Feedback Hub).
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