Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



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