I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick

with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with

the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have

decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn

> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be

> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything

> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which

> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

> 

> Take care

> 

> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> 

>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if

>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of

>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these

>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are

>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do  with an

>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in

>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.

>> Brian

>> 

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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"

>> <joseph.lee22590@...>

>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>> 

>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on

>>> laptop

>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more

>>> sense

>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the

>>> story

>>> at the moment).

>>> 

>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based

>>> on

>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between

>>> an

>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new

>>> screen

>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the

>>> task at

>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than

>>> keyboard

>>> layout.

>>> 

>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people

>>> how to

>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is

>>> better to

>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives

>>> them

>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader

>>> expert (or

>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a

>>> counsellor

>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits

>>> the

>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the

>>> one

>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for

>>> given

>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a

>>> good

>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're

>>> teaching;

>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer

>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and

>>> even

>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews

>>> within their

>>> minds and souls).

>>> 

>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means

>>> to be an

>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

>>> 

>>> Cheers,

>>> 

>>> Joseph

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell

>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io

>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hello,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from

>>> the

>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay

>>> workaround or tips on this?

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Thanks,

>>> 

>>> Rechell Schwartz

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