Re: Curious how NVDA stacks up was Fw: Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.


Hello, I have been using PowerPoint for many years with NVDA. On the whole it works well, but it is difficult to click on videos and audio files that are embedded in slides.  I sometimes get around this by duplicating a slide and having it auto trigger audio on advance. So if there are supposed to be for audio clips on the slide, that will be for copies of the slide each triggering one of the files. It’s not ideal, but it does work. Adding video and audio files on your own is impossible, because by default PowerPoint places a big icon that takes up most of the screen all over whatever images and texts are already there. I can’t find a way to size this without cited assistance, and put it in the right place on the slide.

And yes,speaker notes are not easily accessible I always wanted to have speaker notes sent to a braille display, so I could read them while the slides were being displayed on the screen. But I’ve never figured out how to do this.


On Nov 16, 2018, at 3:08 PM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:

Hi, I know this character has a lot invested in the old paradigm, but I'm curious.  How well does NVDA handle the issues described below?  Are these real things, or is jaws simply behind the 8ball?

If you have good information, please drop me a note at erik@... so as not to start a screen reader war.  :-)

Thanks and regards,


On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 3:06 AM Brian Hartgen via Leaseylist asked:

Several weeks ago, we were asked if a training course could be created to teach people how to use Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS. People not only wanted to learn how to prepare visually appealing PowerPoint presentations, (including adding graphical images), but also how to add music or sound to them, run the presentations as slide shows and add or review Speakers Notes.

This training course has now been researched and it is possible this could be produced in January of 2019. Teaching this subject however is very high risk in a number of areas.

As blind people managing our small company, we will need to ensure that visual assistance is obtained so as to include visually appealing graphics of the required dimensions. But most importantly, it is our view that the support currently provided in terms of screen-reading with PowerPoint from Office 365 is simply not sufficient for what we need to do. Conveying this subject in easy to understand terms was always going to be tricky, but to do so when the access you will receive in this area has shortcomings is even more problematic.

A basic example would be accessing the Speakers Notes. These are notes or reminders to you, the person delivering the presentation, as to what you can say above and beyond what is stated in the slide the audience is viewing. There used to be a keystroke which would allow focus to be set to that area of the screen. This is no longer possible. Moreover, if you are using a Braille display, how are you going to read those notes without disturbing visual focus away from the application? A mechanism for listening to those notes also needs to be found. There are also a large number of other inaccessible areas which need some attention.

To that end, as with all our training courses, we would need please a commitment from anyone interested to make the project viable. This would allow for the delivery of the training course together with bringing the existing JAWS support up-to-date.

We have had a small number of people expressing an interest in this subject so far, but whether it goes ahead really does boil down to what kind of commitment we do receive.

The training course would be delivered over a four-hour period in January of 2019. It would include details of many aspects of creating presentations in an accessible way, identifying (as far as possible) whether the presentations were visually acceptable, navigating through slides, working with visual themes, using tables and bulleted lists, editing presentations, delivering your presentation to an audience, and more. A full course outline would be presented if the training course goes ahead.

If you would like to purchase this training course, please write to brian@.... We will then send to you an invoice for payment. Assuming we have enough committed people to make the course viable, then we will present the details formally on our website with a full course outline. The cost would be £50 which is currently $62. We would ideally need to hear from you by 7 December 2018 because that will give sufficient time for the JAWS scripting work to go ahead prior to the commencement of the training course in 2019.

If we do not receive a sufficient response, unfortunately we cannot take this project further because there are many hours of work ahead even before a training course of this magnitude can start to be prepared.

We very much look forward to hearing from anyone interested in what could be an interesting venture.

Brian Hartgen

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