Re: A random question, related to screen readers in general

Brian K. Lingard

Dear Erik & List:

If you quoted the CNIB price for a Perkins Classic Brailler, you may find
the price they are sold by Howe Press, Perkins School for The Blind,
Watertown, MA USA is significantly cheaper even after converting their price
in US funds to Canadian Dollars. Seems the fewer hands these units pass
through, the cheaper the price. Howe Press are the makers. They offer
excellent delivery by Free Matter for The Blind from Watertown. I habitually
buy all accessories for my Brailler from them as they always have the items
in stock.
At one point, CNIB was selling Perkins Braillers for $1,200/each, the sum
Ontario Assistive Devices Program would pay for them, while Howe Press sold
them for $US800. Even after conversion to Canadian Dollars, I saved money,
CNIB was as usual at the time, out of stock, did not stock any accessories
such as the wooden case, Sound Pad Etc. Howe did, I had the unit in hand
within about a week. It is interesting how CNIB prices goods at the Maximum
Ontario ADP will pay. While CNIB has no shareholders to distribute profits
to, it does not prevent them reaping handsome profits. You can purchase
Braille paper from APH, Louisville, KY at a handsome savings over CNIB
prices. Uncertain as to why, CNIB pays postage on orders sent by mail,
despite the Literature for The Blind Post-Free concession covering
everything imaginable for the Blind, including Braille Press parts, paper
Braillers Etc. with Insurance and/or Registration at no fee. The concession
is available to any address in Canada, including addresses with fly-in only
mail delivery, for points in the High Arctic.
Similar concessions apply to Foreign addresses, with the restriction that
only documents, not merchandise,, may be sent registered. Allow 1-2 weeks
for delivery from APH by Free Matter.

From: <> On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: November 26, 2018 7:26
Subject: Re: [nvda] A random question, related to screen readers in general

and yet, my experience is much the opposite. Braille displays are partially
funded by the government here, and many people have them. I have one,
because I am a programming student, but even before that, I had a mobile
Braille display. I can't really use braille and speech effectively, so I am
in the habit of turning off the speech when my Braille display is connected,
and just reading. Reading Braille is slower for me than listening, but it's
much more accurate.

if I had to pay for it all on my own, I doubt I would be able to afford it,
but since I have access, I have it and I use it.

consider that the cost of Braille displays is falling sharply. In 2007, the
cost of a 40 cell Braille display was approximately $7,200 Canadian. Today
the cost of a 40 cell Braille display is approximately $3,500 Canadian. In
2008, there were only two real microbe braille displays that I can think of.
Today, there are at least 10 or 15 displays available, in the 20 cells and
under form factor. Some of them cost as little as 6 or $800. Compare the
cost of a braille knee at $650 Canadian to the cost of the classic Perkins
Brailler at $1,300 Canadian, and clearly, brailleme me comes out on top as
the new learning tool for Braille.

The pundits who fear Braille because it makes them look or act blind, are
losing the price argument. Braille is becoming more affordable by the day,
and I think it will make a serious come back. You cannot tell a person that
they need to go through life illiterate, it just isn't right.

On November 26, 2018 5:03:46 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<> wrote:

Of course like many surveys, it is just a result of those who did the
survey. I strongly suspect out of the general users the percentage is a lot
lower than this.
I have many friends who are nvda users not one of them has a Braille
display, and only a handful can read the code in any case.
I certainly cannot justify buying one. I can see how for many functions it
would be useful if you can read it, such as programming etc., but for
general use on an everyday basis by somebody just using applications, email
and some shopping or social media, much of the latter now done on mobiles,
then really its not needed.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James AUSTIN" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A random question, related to screen readers in general

I think that the WebAIM Screen Readers surveys have this info

On 25 Nov 2018, at 23:26, Gene <> wrote:

A Google Search for something like percent of screen-reader users use
Braille produced this as one result:
If you search for the word Braille and repeat the search until you get
to the relevant content, you will find information about the number of
users of different screen-readers who use Braille output.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 4:29 PM
Subject: [nvda] A random question, related to screen readers in

Hello all

Does anyone know how I might find out what percentage of screen reader
users use braille displays?

Apologies for the random nature of this question,


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