Re: Introducing TextNav add-on - a better way to browse Internet
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Gene
I have some comments on your demo for
TextNav. First, it isn't a substitute for learning the layout and
structures of web pages. If you use it before you know these things, you
may not learn to deal with other than straight reading situations
well.
Your claim that TextNav is thirteen times more efficient
when reading the page you used is not correct. it is thirteen times more
efficient if you don't know how to work with internet pages for reading
something like an article well, but you used a very inefficient method for your
comparison. You didn't start at the top of the page and use the skip
blocks of links command, the letter n. That gets you much much closer to
the article text because it skips most of the material on this page before the
article starts. On some pages, move by heading works better. On
some, move by skip nnavigation works bettter. on some, move by heading,
then using skip navigation links works better. On some, the find command
works better. You may not find an efficient way to work with a page until
you experiment. Once you do, you can use other article pages on that site
the same way. I want to be clear. I am
not saying that the add-on isn't very useful in skipping to the first sentence
of an article. But you don't hear the author, you may not hear
introductory material you might want to hear, and, if the article is more than
two or three paragraphs, it would be exceedingly tedious to issue the move to
next paragraph command repeatedly. For a somewhat long news article or a
somewhat long magazine article, I would imagine you might have to issue the
command twenty or thirty or forty or more times. The add-on needs an
automated mode for straight reading uninterruptedly.
And finally, your forum example
demonstrates a real deficiency in the add-on. It starts reading the text
of the first post and skips all information about who wrote it or how old it is
or any other information that might be of interest such as what rating the
person has for reliability or what his credentials are. Also, as you
continue to read and even if you know when a second post is beginning to be
read, you don't know who it is from. You can't be sure all the time, I
would think, who is commenting on comments for the first time or who is making
comments after making other comments. If the add-on is going to really be
useful in such an environment, it needs to do more than just skip through
entries by paragraph and not give you any information such as what I
described. I don't know if this can be done. I don't know if a
forums mode can be developed. That is f o r u m, as discussion forum, not
to be confused with what some people call forms mode in some browsers for
filling out forms.
In short, the add-on has
potential and I am not attempting to discourage its further development.
Critics mmay be your best friends in such situations. But I think the
add-on needs more work and refinement.
and one last thing I forgot to
mention earlier:
The crackling sound should be
able to be turned on and off. If I'm reading, I don't necessarily want to
hear extraneous sounds that notify me of something when I am reading an article
and am not interested in knowing such other information.
Gene
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From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 6:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] Introducing TextNav add-on - a better way to browse
Internet Today I am introducing TextNav add-on for NVDA - a better way to browse Internet for the blind! Have you ever felt that browsing new pages is frustrating when you couldn't find the content on the page? Try TextNav - it will find the right content for you in a single keystroke! TextNav is easy to use. Listen to a quick demo (7minutes long audio): https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/textnav-promo Here is the link to download TextNav: https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=textnav TextNav on github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/ TextNav keystrokes: * Alt+Shift+Down: Find next paragraph with text. * Alt+Shift+Up: Find previous paragraph with text. I hope you enjoy it! Any suggestions are welcome! Sincerely, Tony Malykh
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