----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: "Gene" <gsasner@...>; <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader users:


Also, when I say modern e-mail programs have default settings that keep such code from running, I'm pretty sure the newest version of Outlook Express, the latest XP version, uses such settings. I don't know at what point Outlook Express adopted such settings.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 3:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader users:


You may be thinking about bits of code in e-mail called, as I recall, beacons. But modern e-mail programs have default settings that keep such code from running. It well may be that old programs have settings that can be set to keep the code from running as well but I haven't looked into the question.

Sometimes, Kim Komando oversimplifies things and thus gives out inaccurate information, though she is largely or mostly reliable. this is one such case. When I heard her discuss this, and then looked into the matter to an extent, I found that, as I said modern programs don't allow this by default and, of course, they can't do anything if you read mail as plain text.

A message may have malicious code in it that can do all sorts of things, such as take your browser to a site automatically, which is why I read mail as plain text and only look at messages I trust in HTML if I have a reason to. Thunderbird has a setting called simple html that shows thing such as links but doesn't allow any code to run. While I don't know this, I think that is as safe as reading mail as plain text. I don't use Thunderbird but if I did, I might well use that setting. I could then follow links in e-mail messages, be, I believe, as safe as reading mail as plain text, and not have to switch to HTML to read something like newsletters that require HTML to see links.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 3:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader users:


Hi Group,




A while back, there was a Kim Kommando article about the fact that even if a link is present in an e-mail message and even if you don't click on it. I can't remember which one, but some sort of virus or Trojan could be let loose even if you just opened the e-mail. Maybe it was that I love you thingie.




On 12/4/2018 3:56 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

I'm guessing you never heard of the I love you virus?

It was spread vie compromised email programs. Without looking it up, I can't remember which ones, but I'm fairly certain outlook was on the top of that list.


There, now you can no longer say you have nvever heard of a virus being spread via an email program.




On 12/4/2018 2:55 PM, Gene wrote:

When is the last time you saw a credible report, or even a questionable one, about vulnerabilities in an e-mail program being hacked to spread malware? It is important to use current versions of browsers but I very much question that it matters much with e-mail programs unless, perhaps they are very old. With all the people on lists we follow who use Outlook Express, a very old program, however, I have never seen one report on lists or anywhere else of malicious e-mail being used to infect machines with that program or other perhaps more vulnerable programs. If a program is too old, it may not have good default security settings. For example, it may automatically download images, which is a security risk. That should be turned off. I would use effective security settings with e-mail programs. Why invite trouble? But I question that malicious code in e-mails is much of a problem. Others may disagree and may have factual information about this but from what I've observed for a long time, this is what I think currently.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 12:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader users:


SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY!


Failing to update programs that regularly access the Internet such as
mail programs endangers your system. Many updates involving patching
security holes and/or protection against new threats in the wild such as
Trojans and root kits.



On 12/4/2018 11:51 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Personally with email software, unless you have a valid reason to
> change the version stick with what works. There is a lot to be said
> for another well known proverb
> If its not broken don't fix it!
> Brian
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> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 1:45 PM
> Subject: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader users:
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>> hello every one.
>> as you know, firefox quantum with multiprocess support, caused many
>> issues, slowness, crashes or instibilities for screen reader users.
>> i am curious and wish that know, does thunderbird 60 has the issues of
>> firefox quantum which i mentioned?
>> thunderbird 60 like new versions of firefox, support photon and
>> quantum css, but fortunately does not support multiprocess until now.
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>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
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