Re: Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals


 

True, and if you don't use addons or you just want to use it for certain things then that would be fine to.

On 12/18/2018 10:33 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi,


I guess you do not run a huge network like they do, and you are not having to worry about security of a network of that size. I could not see them updating NVDA 4 times a year on 400 computers every 3 months.


It is not a home network which of course you could update more regularly and also use add ons etc. I know that on the APNK network you can use your portable stable signed version which might be more up to date.


Your alternative I guess is Narrator for places who do not have NVDA. I applaud Christchurch City Libraries for their initiative to enhance accessibility for those who need audio on a computer.

I have not asked them about portable access yet. I think it is better to have a slightly older version (which will be updated at least yearly around February) that is stable than none at all.


Gene NZ


On 18/12/2018 9:44 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well thats nice, but it would actually be good if the latest version was put on all computers, and maybe have it do it automatically same with addons used etc, point is we are now in to 2018.4 what is the use to have an old crappy version.

If 18.3.2 is only just going now, users will be out of date.

I guess it doesn't matter if they are all jaws users or havn't used nvda before, but its just that roling out nvda in its current form is a waste of time now.



On 12/18/2018 7:54 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys,


I received confirmation a couple of days ago that NVDA was going to be installed across the Christchurch City library network. Today, I have just received confirmation via email from the person rolling it out that it has officially been rolled out! I thought it was going to be rolled out early next year, but it looks like an early Christmas present for Christchurch!

There are parts of the message below:

So … the install of NVDA version 2018.3.2 is completed on our public computers.


I aI’m happy to tell you that we have 19 libraries which all have at least one free internet computer each;

· A total of 225 free internet computers across the Christchurch City Libraries network
In addition to this we have the following types of public computers which we will also install NVDA on as part of the rollout

· 20 Childrens PCs; 30 Family History PCs; 120 Learning Centre Lab PCs


This means that NVDA is now installed at 19 libraries across Christchurch! (This is about 390 computers which are to be updated annually from now on).

https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5895


In the link to the FAQ page (which says about accessibility options on their computers), NVDA is now on that list! You can not start it with a shortcut, however you can still start it quite easily through the search box by typing in NVDA and pressing Enter. The Windows log on option has been disabled. This is where it says Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen.


Please spread the word if you know of anyone who would find this useful when visiting Christchurch City Libraries! This is not just for blind and vision impaired, but may also assist people who have dyslexia or are ESOL.


Regards,

Gene NZ


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Yes and the very first incarnation was put together by an Ex Dolphin writer.
I think the problem is that Microsoft are concentrating on their software, having no control over the actual software in use. They would then be playing catch up just like the other screenreaders on 3rd party applications.
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True, although Doug Geoffray, the guy behind the EX Window-Eyes is working on Narrator actually along with Jeff bishop, a former Window-Eyes scripter, and others.



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Narrator in Windows 10 is considerably more capable from discussions I've seen here than Narrator on Windows 7. I have Windows 7. Narrator is just the shell of a screen-reader in that version of Windows, alright for emergencies where you lose the use of a competent screen-reader for some reason but it would be next to useless on a public terminal because it is next to useless everywhere.



also, I know that Narrator is moving toward using more standard screen-reader commands in Windows 10. I don't know how far that move has gone but I would think that a lot more screen-reader users would regularly use NVDA. There is a certain level of reasonable access and reasonable standardization and unless Narrator has changed very dramatically recently in Windows 10, it doesn't meet those needs. Plus, from discussions I've seen here, Narrator is limited to Microsoft programs in terms of providing reasonable or something like reasonable access. Unless these public terminals provide only Microsoft programs, that is another area of inaccessibility when using Narrator. The blind user would be either fully or mostly limited to Microsoft programs on the machine. If the machine has other programs on it, it appears from discussions I've seen on list, that Narrator wouldn't work adequately, if at all.



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Subject: [nvda] Advantages of NVDA over narrator on public terminals



Hi guys,



I got asked this question about the advantages of NVDA over Narrator on public terminals where ever these may be...



I am talking about public terminals that the sighted can use where ever these may be. Places like libraries, information centres airports (where these terminals are) as well etcetera. The commercial screen readers are not in the picture because of price.



The question is below:



" My question to you is what advantages would it give our blind or visually impaired customers having both Windows 10 Narrator and NVDA available to use on public computers? I would be interested in supporting installing it at if there were advantages and we could work thru any technical issues. Let me know what you think".



This same question could also come up at any IT department that is approached to install NVDA to a public terminal (where ever these may be). The above is used as an example.

I am guessing that for any technical information - that could be pointed towards the developers of the NVDA project.



They could be using a windows 7 machine right up to Windows 10.



Looking forward to your feedback on advantages of NVDA over Narrator. Thanks everyone.



Gene NZ





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