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What a brilliant analogy! Thanks for this. Even I was needing
something like that to understand better how it works itself.
Em 23/12/2018 19:06, Travis Siegel
those who have used a mac and their screen reader voice over,
you'll find object navigation very similar to how the mac presents
objects. A screen is made up of objects, and interacting with
said objects gets you more detailed views of what's going on.
Each level is independent of the other levels, and each level has
different information in it. The simplest way to describe this is
by using shelves analogy. When you first open the book hself, you
are presented with a series of shelves from top to bottom. The
top shelf may have paperbacks, the second shelf may have
hardbacks, and so on. Selecting the first shelf then allows you
to select what kind of book you want to read, fantasy, scifi,
romance, and so on. Once you interact with the particular genre
you want, then you can select a title to read, and after selecting
that title, then you can see the contents of the book, which
itself may be broken up into chapters, and those chapters into
paragraphs, which inturn are broken up into sentences, and so on.
You get the idea. Object navigation is nothing more than a method
of breaking up the screen into contituent parts, so that you can
get to information faster, (once you know how things are
On Sun, 23 Dec 2018, Joseph Lee wrote:
In order to understand how object navigation works, it is
helpful to get an overview of how things are laid out on screen.
Effectively, when you use this mode, you're navigating in and
out of various controls on screen (hierarchy, if you will).
I'll wait for more requests before writing a slightly more
thorough tutorial on object navigation (I think I did this
before, but can't remember quite well at the moment due to
volume of changes since than and in the midst of preparing for
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... JAWS cursor
I'd surely appreciate that. I too have a problem understanding
Object navigation as I was a 18 year user of Window Eyes. Thank
On 12/23/2018 8:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
If people want, I’m willing to “transcribe” object navigation
of my tutorial series or do a more thorough write up.
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I can well relate to this struggle with object navigation.
first started using NVDA in 2009 I had been a user of JAWS
since version 1.0.
At that time, object navigation was so confusing that I felt
had to turn my mind inside out just to get a grip on it and,
while, I pretty much ignored the capability. I just used the
arrow keys to navigate and was pretty content doing so.
A few things turned me around, however. First, understanding
method of interacting with windows within windows or controls
window helped as the concepts, to me, were similar. And, while
want to turn this into a JAWS vs NVDA debate, the fact is that
navigation on the numeric keypad will allow you to explore
program windows that the JAWS cursor just doesn't see,
Windows 10. When I was training new users in how to use NVDA I
that some of them would never have been able to deal with
However, pressing insert-7 (on the number pad) to put NVDA
review mode may work for a lot of people, even though this
not work for all windows. Within this mode and even in the
review mode the number pad commands may be more intuitive with
and 9 for previous, current and next line, 4, 5 and 6 for
current and next word and 1, 2 and 3 for previous, current and
character. This feels very comfortable for me since ASAP, a
reader I used in the DOS days, used the same commands for its
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
On 12/23/2018 11:40 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:
My most difficult issue with NVDA is understanding object
struggle to move freely around the screen the way the JAWS