Re: Open Office/libreOffice


Why do people rent apartments?  In the majority of cases, its because they can't afford to buy a house.  Some, perhaps many, people may subscribe to Office because they can't oor it is difficult for them to afford to purchase it.  Also, if you subscribe, depending on the level you subscribe, businesses or people may get benefits they want.  I haven't looked into this in detail, but there is a subscription to Ofrfice that allows you to use it as a subscription, on five machines.  I don't know if that means five machines simultaneously or five machines at one time.  There are probably other subscription levels that offer other variations on how many licenses you need that may be of benefit to large businesses. 
There are other features as well that, I believe, derive from using office in the cloud.  I'm not taking a position in this message as to the advisability of the widespread adoption of the cloud.  I'm saying that it has occurred and that there are benefits the subscription model offers in that respect that many people want.  Also, you can still buy Office, the current version and 2016 as a stand alone, not cloud program so you still have a choice.  You can still buy music as well and you have full ownership.  But increasingly, people prefer using streaming services. 
Is it worth the money to subscribe to something or to own it?  It depends on how the person uses it. 
As far as Microsoft trying to make using certain old programs such as Outlook Express unuseable on newer versions of Windows, I don't know why this is done in a very small number of cases.  It isn't for money, because there are free, well known free alternatives and they themselves provide something in the new version to do the same basic thing, such as an e-mail app.  Others may know or have interesting speculations on this point.  Microsoft probably should allow old programs to continue unless they represent a significant danger to the user or unless they no longer work or work properly as Windows develops.

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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

Hmm, well yes I  think though that Jaws will still carry on working on the
machine its been installed on as long as you do not need a newer version. If
the poster is correct this is not what Microsoft does with the subscription
model. With Word, I can still use old versions as long as they will still
run and screenreaders support them. I find it intensely annoying for example
that Microsoft decide which email client I can use. If I load up Outlook
Express on windows ten with the support files it needs from xp, it will run
fine. However when Windows updates in a major way, it removes it.

However most of the free replacements of that software are worse. Security
may be a little better, but to date its not been an issue.
 They reinvent the wheel worse then won't allow people to use the old wheels
even if they fit and go around, so to speak.

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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 03:40 PM, Gene wrote:

> I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must
> be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the
> program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing
> such nonsense.

There are so many products that use this service model, and have for many,
many years now, that this comment is nonsense.

You can use Office up through 2016 (and I think even 2019) as an installed
program if you wish and there will be support for same for some years to

You certainly must never have been a JAWS user, either, as their model is
very much "as a service" if you wish to have a version of JAWS that's
keeping up with "what's happening now."

I strongly prefer installed programs that I am not paying for over time, but
there's nothing wrong with selling service in that way. Buying a high-end
version of Office outright is a multi-hundred dollar proposition. It will
take quite a while to equal what you'd have paid for the installed version
via "as a service" delivery model and you keep getting updates as well.


Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

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