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Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

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Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully
limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi,

In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what gives
it
the advantage.

You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.

All the best

Steve

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OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
then...grin
I do agree that although the screen and other navigation modes are
powerful,
the issue is the way to use them for those not interested in understanding
objects children and all of that layered stuff. Flat review only seems to
be
utilising half of the power, but since I am not sure what Jaws actually is
doing behind the scenes, given they probably harvest similar data, I'll
leave it at that.
I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor loaded in
windows 7.
Brian

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From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi all,



With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to say
that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more responsive for
me
now than JAWS.



Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control Panel in
Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it wouldn't
speak
any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few configurations,
but
it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise that these problems are
borne of problems with UIA, rather than problems with NVDA.



In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
yet,
I
think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.



But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example, it
won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you Control+Y
in
Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one reason I couldn't use
it
full time. It is visually there, and JAWS reads it, so in my view, by
now,
NVDA should read it too.



Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.



I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to screen
reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more polish than
NVDA.



Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.



All the best


Steve



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