Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
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Gene
I don't know what accounts for the different
reports, but if the subject line is read redundantly, you can stop this behavior
in e-mail programs by opening the message and then executing the read to end
command.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using
NVDA I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA > Hi, > > In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what > gives it the advantage. > > You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though. > > All the best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's > Mail list account via Groups.Io > Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA > > OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane > then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation > modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not > interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered > stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but > since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes, > given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that. > I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor > loaded in windows 7. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM > Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA > > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to >> say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more >> responsive for me now than JAWS. >> >> >> >> Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control >> Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it >> wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few >> configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise >> that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than >> problems with NVDA. >> >> >> >> In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while >> yet, > >> I >> think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds. >> >> >> >> But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example, >> it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you >> Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one >> reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS >> reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too. >> >> >> >> Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor. >> You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an >> equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well. >> >> >> >> I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to >> screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more >> polish than NVDA. >> >> >> >> Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me. >> >> >> >> All the best >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Computer Room Services >> >> 77 Exeter Close >> >> Stevenage >> >> Hertfordshire >> >> SG1 4PW >> >> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 >> >> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 >> >> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 >> >> Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@... >> >> Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > |
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