Re: Some mouse navigation questions


 

Hi,

At least it is separated in terms of how it is presented (multiple entries for the same command description, each of which have different commands assigned; this is on JAWS 2019). But the fact that all of these are stored inside one file (a .jkm file) demonstrates the fact that, when it comes to managing commands, JAWS and NVDA are taking the same approach (NVDA stores custom command assignments inside a file named gestures.ini, or for other languages, gestures_lang.ini where “lang” is the language code).

Ultimately, it comes down to terminology and philosophy employed (being discussed on another thread). It is true that different screen readers have different terms for the same thing; what’s more important is what’s under the surface (procedures and assumptions) given appropriate training.

I’ll bring up terminology issue with other NVDA developers (via GitHub) soon.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

 

Yes, JAWS does separate them.  I’m surprised this wasn’t done at the offset.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 17 February 2019 17:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

It is the same situation as JAWS’s keyboard manager (at least in the old days) where you had commands for keyboards, braille displays, and alike.

As for an explanation as to why it might not be separated for a while, see my post on road travel analogy.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 4:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi jean,

 

I think maybe they should be separated.  Keyboard Commands, Touch Gestures, not all lumped into one.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 00:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

The problem is, what should this array of ways of input be called?  Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.  This is just one more example of the decline of English.  Apps and applications, two different things, are used increasingly interchangeably.  the language in general is becoming less precise and accurate and this is just one area.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Input gestures are more abstract

Which is precisely the problem.  Callin something that is intimately familiar to the typical end user, and when it's currently the only method (regardless of keyboard being used), something "more abstract" is not the way to go. 

The folks at NV Access are far from the only software developers to go this route.   Almost every time it's the route taken it makes things more opaque to the target demographic, which is why it should be avoided in the first place.
 
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