Re: Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?


Gene
 

There is one use of "graphic"where the reader wouldn't know a word had been skipped.  In a sentence like, "this is a graphic illustration of negligence," for example, if the word graphic weren't heard, the sentence would make sense but it might be gramatically wrong.  The person using the dictionary work around would have to decide if that matters to him/her.  But if the person is in an environment where the word "graphic" is heard often while on a web page, for example, or working with a not properly accessible program, eliminating the word may be important.  What if a not properly accessible e-mail program causes NVDA to read "graphic" every time you move to another message in the list?  I've worked with a program now and then where I hear a lot of meaningless graphic announcements as I move with screen review.  But in the case of an unfamiliar program, before you know it, you should cause graphic to be spoken if you are exploring the program with screen reviewor object navigation.  Sometimes, you have to click on graphics.  But for many users, the dictionary option is a good one.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

How many times, in general reading, or any reading that doesn't deal with graphics per se have you come across the word in a month?  If it is the only word you cause not to be spoken in the dictionary and you read a sentence where something is missing, if the context is correct, you know it’s the word "graphic" and not an error in the text. 
 
If someone wants to not hear the word "graphic" and the screen-reader doesn't have a do not announce graphic setting, this is a good way to do it.  it isn't perfect, but it’s a good work around.  if you are opposing it because it isn't perfect, then you are letting the perfect block the use of the good.  I seldom come across the word graphic in general reading.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

But the word graphic is quite common.  I give up.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That is the slippery slope logical fallacy.  If you do something that works well in moderation or sparingly, you will do it more until it is destructive rather than constructive.  That logical fallacy implies that people have no sense of logic or proportion.  If you let someone speed to a hospital because their wife is in labor, before you know it, everyone will speed for any reason and the law won't be enforced. 

 

I didn't say that using the dictionary is as good as being able to turn the announcement off.  It will work in a case where a word isn't used often and where it can usually be determined or assumed that you haven't heard it because it is that word.  I wasn't talking about using the dictionary for word after word. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:26 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

I still don’t like it, however much you try to justify dictionary hacks.  Eventually you exclude loads of words, then it becomes more work.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But if, for some reason, you hear a lot of graphics announced and you can't turn off graphic announcements in the settings, you may save yourself a good deal of annoyance.  and it isn't much work in general.  Think about when the last two or three times were that you heard the word graphic other than in this thread or when your screen-reader announced an actual graphic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That’s more hard work though, as well as concentrating on the text itself for mistakes, I’d say.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

By context a lot of the time.  if not, they will know a word is missing because what is being said won't make sense.  At that point, you can go back and read the word by letter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But how would they know the word was missing, if the synth didn’t utter anything?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Yes, it would be skipped.  Most people wouldn't come across the word often in documents and they have to remember that they won't hear it.  They can read letter by letter at the missing word location to verify that it is that word if they wish.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Hi Jean,

 

What happens then if you come across the word graphic in a document?  Does it just get missed out?  That would make it awkward for proofing.  I don’t like using dictionaries as a cludge if I’m honest.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 13:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

If this setting isn't available in preferences, and I am not aware of a do not announce graphics setting, you may be able to stop graphic from being announced using the speech dictionary.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

To all members
Does NVDA has feature to ignore graphic while navigating web page, and if it has, now to enable it?
A friend asked me this, and he shared him thought that sometimes he doesn't want to see graphics in article he reading, and he wonder if we could add this to NVDA if it doesn't exist. I can also create a tiket for this if noone did before.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong

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