Re: Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?
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Gene
There is one use of "graphic"where the reader
wouldn't know a word had been skipped. In a sentence like, "this is a
graphic illustration of negligence," for example, if the word graphic weren't
heard, the sentence would make sense but it might be gramatically wrong.
The person using the dictionary work around would have to decide if that matters
to him/her. But if the person is in an environment where the word
"graphic" is heard often while on a web page, for example, or working with a not
properly accessible program, eliminating the word may be important. What
if a not properly accessible e-mail program causes NVDA to read "graphic" every
time you move to another message in the list? I've worked with a program
now and then where I hear a lot of meaningless graphic announcements as I move
with screen review. But in the case of an unfamiliar program, before you
know it, you should cause graphic to be spoken if you are exploring the program
with screen reviewor object navigation. Sometimes, you have to click on
graphics. But for many users, the dictionary option is a good
one.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages
using NVDA? How many times, in general reading, or any reading
that doesn't deal with graphics per se have you come across the word in a
month? If it is the only word you cause not to be spoken in the dictionary
and you read a sentence where something is missing, if the context is correct,
you know it’s the word "graphic" and not an error in the text.
If someone wants to not hear the word "graphic" and
the screen-reader doesn't have a do not announce graphic setting, this is a good
way to do it. it isn't perfect, but it’s a good work around. if you
are opposing it because it isn't perfect, then you are letting the perfect block
the use of the good. I seldom come across the word graphic in general
reading.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages
using NVDA? But the word graphic is quite common. I give up.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
That is the slippery slope logical fallacy. If you do something that works well in moderation or sparingly, you will do it more until it is destructive rather than constructive. That logical fallacy implies that people have no sense of logic or proportion. If you let someone speed to a hospital because their wife is in labor, before you know it, everyone will speed for any reason and the law won't be enforced.
I didn't say that using the dictionary is as good as being able to turn the announcement off. It will work in a case where a word isn't used often and where it can usually be determined or assumed that you haven't heard it because it is that word. I wasn't talking about using the dictionary for word after word.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Nutt Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?
I still don’t like it, however much you try to justify dictionary hacks. Eventually you exclude loads of words, then it becomes more work.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
But if, for some reason, you hear a lot of graphics announced and you can't turn off graphic announcements in the settings, you may save yourself a good deal of annoyance. and it isn't much work in general. Think about when the last two or three times were that you heard the word graphic other than in this thread or when your screen-reader announced an actual graphic.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Nutt Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?
That’s more hard work though, as well as concentrating on the text itself for mistakes, I’d say.
All the best
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
By context a lot of the time. if not, they will know a word is missing because what is being said won't make sense. At that point, you can go back and read the word by letter.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?
But how would they know the word was missing, if the synth didn’t utter anything?
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Yes, it would be skipped. Most people wouldn't come across the word often in documents and they have to remember that they won't hear it. They can read letter by letter at the missing word location to verify that it is that word if they wish.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Nutt Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?
Hi Jean,
What happens then if you come across the word graphic in a document? Does it just get missed out? That would make it awkward for proofing. I don’t like using dictionaries as a cludge if I’m honest.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
If this setting isn't available in preferences, and I am not aware of a do not announce graphics setting, you may be able to stop graphic from being announced using the speech dictionary. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Dang Manh Cuong Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:46 AM Subject: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?
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