To be honest it may take a little longer for microsoft to completely
While a lot of even x lease units are now win10, there are still x
lease win7 units about and even in some rare cases you still can buy a few
older generations of win7 workstations of 4-6th generation.
Its likely that thats all going to be phased out but even if it is, I
doubt windows7 or even 8 when it finnally dropps out of support will
actually drop completely.
Firstly, while xp actually was really on the way out, all oses from
vista up use almost the same stuff.
Dot net 4.6 and 4.7 are supported on all windows systems from 7 up,
visual basic up to vb 2015-2017 are still supported, as well as
Drivers for hardware if you know where to go are all supported on the
older systems to, there is a lot of modern hardware that while it runs on
10 will still be supported on 7 and even 8 in fact a lot of win 8 and 8.1
software and drivers will run on windows 10 not really recommended but I
have some sound card drivers from win7/8 which run fine without
To be honest, its going to be harder for microsoft to drop win7 and or
even 8, for starters, there is a lot of hardware about, some workstations
still use 7, and while a lot of businesses are now going to 10, thats only
happening as of now, when they replace computers, I know this because of
family that are in business.
With xp, people I talked to said they only updated to win7 when windows
10 was starting out, in fact they only started win7 with the 2015 version
of windows 10 when that was coming out, going to 7.
Some others may wait longer or shorter times.
Its going to even be harder with windows 8 when microsoft finally cans
The only reason to not use win7 possibly is if you want to use a more
powerfull system than the intel 6th gen, and after their security
nightmare, effecting all systems, from what I hear from people that know,
all the security measures in both firmware and windows mitigations have
basically crapified the entire 7-8th generation and the 8th generation
completely with reduced speed.
Its why I moved to amd which while it does share some similarities with
the intel breaches has more protections than intel because of older
technologies being used.
Bar the interface in win8x, the only reason you probably would want to
switch would be because you would like universal apps or something.
With the universal nature of hardware its going to be harder and a
longer time before all that stuff dies.
Whats going to probably eventually happen, is that hardware will stop
being supported and other things but there is more of that than win xp
The only other reason to even concidder upgrading to win10 is to use
usb c tech.
Its faster but the ports and plugs mean that basically 99.99999% of usb
devices don't work on usb c meaning you have to buy more hubs to fit
Now I have seen usb c storage and a few things but its still got to
My origional plan was to get a 6th gen or a quad 7th gen with all ports
or basically usb 2 and 3 like I used to have with my 3rd gen.
This amd system has usb 2 and usb 3.1 class a which means I get all the
generation upgrades but not c.
Another issue I have with the new systems is the god awefull microphone
and speaker input jack.
This means that even with effects off, the sound for the speakers and
externals is emulated to a point.
This means I need audio drivers running at startup in order to have it
emulate the right device properly.
I have tried without drivers and the card amp in this beast is to
powerfull to run right.
Older units and some newer ones have this sort of thing in and not the
2 stand alone outputs.
The other god awefull thing that I really hate about the modern systems
is the tieing of all their sound hardware to the display chip.
I understand why they do it, but after the god awefull time I had in
1995 when sound was tied to the cd drive I thought everyone had learned
My asus workstation's card is a card not tied to anything, a 4th
Then again maybe it is the blind that overtax their cards to a point
the limiters trip.
Back in the day when volume controls, stand alone cards analog ones
mainly and real speakers existed we didn't have any of this
Now it works but there is a lot of emulation.
And due to the size of the speakers unless you get an entertainment,
gaming or small workstation like I have the speakers are really small that
effects are needed for sound to sound even half good.
Eventually windows 7 like xp will become utter crap, but its going to
Xp was allready being phased out by newer things, win98, 95, and old
dos went the same way as well as win2k, me and probably win 8 and
Sadly, win7 has a lot going for it.
There is still a lot of good tech that will be win7 able for ages
And as I said, we would need a big change to really role users over to
10 at least any time fast.
From technical trends that myself and a friend are following who is in
the security industry, the biggest threat is forging business emails, as
businesses and indeviduals get smarter, the threat of ransomware is
dropping to a point we can handle it reasonably well.
Won't be gone completely but still.
Unlike xp, there is no real advantage to really upgrade over win7 on
With the loss of office 2010-2016 coming up in the next few years, that
may be enough, and the processer limitations but there are hacks round
As long as there are still people and businesses using it win7
Another thing for 7 and against 10 is the fact microsoft has pulled out
a lot of legacy stuff which is still used.
Things like midi mappers, and some stuff to run older games and
programs which 7 even 64 bit can run with ease.
This is probably why microsoft went with win10 as a service, I mean why
would you ever leave windows 10.
Unless your processer is really old, you wouldn't.
The intel 6gen has stopped production as of last year, 7th is still
about but dropping out now.
Things may pick up with intel 9th gen maybe.
Microsoft have addressed some of the performance bottlenecks in the
mitigations for intel cpus but still.
It will be harder to get rid of win7 and 8 than microsoft actually
Win8's interface may drive people to 10, and 8 will drop but 7 is
unlikely to become as xp is.
Even so, people only dropped xp when their support libraries no longer
worked with it.
To be honest, the only reason some stuff like older windows could be
effected is if and when microsoft dropps 32 bit support.
Or at least 32 bit os versions.
A lot of programs use 32 and 64 bit code, nvda being one of them.
What will probably shove things along is the end of 32 as a hardware
32 bit machines havn't been made in ages and ages.
The reason 32 bit continues is that a few systems are still running
with 1-4gb ram mainly and the fact a few older programs still exist.
Even if ms were to drop win7 support now, I doubt we'd see any real
change for at least a decade or even more.
With all the cloud services and portables what we may see is a cludge
of oses and devices being used at once.
On 11/03/2019 10:18 PM, Ian Blackburn
You can continue to use Windows 7 after the end date
in the same way that people are still using Windows XP
But you take the risk of some sort of attack due to
the fact that holes in the operating system are not being patched by the
That’s a risk that you
choose to take or not depending on your situation
On 11 Mar 2019, at
4:47 pm, Monte Single <mrsingle@...>
will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.
read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;
current browser such as firefox or chrome,
accessible antivirus and malware program.
antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?
other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after