To be honest it may take a little longer for microsoft
to completely kill windows7.
While a lot of even x lease units are now win10, there
are still x lease win7 units about and even in some rare
cases you still can buy a few older generations of win7
workstations of 4-6th generation.
Its likely that thats all going to be phased out but
even if it is, I doubt windows7 or even 8 when it
finnally dropps out of support will actually drop
Firstly, while xp actually was really on the way out,
all oses from vista up use almost the same stuff.
Dot net 4.6 and 4.7 are supported on all windows
systems from 7 up, visual basic up to vb 2015-2017 are
still supported, as well as dotnet.
Drivers for hardware if you know where to go are all
supported on the older systems to, there is a lot of
modern hardware that while it runs on 10 will still be
supported on 7 and even 8 in fact a lot of win 8 and 8.1
software and drivers will run on windows 10 not really
recommended but I have some sound card drivers from
win7/8 which run fine without issues.
To be honest, its going to be harder for microsoft to
drop win7 and or even 8, for starters, there is a lot of
hardware about, some workstations still use 7, and while
a lot of businesses are now going to 10, thats only
happening as of now, when they replace computers, I know
this because of family that are in business.
With xp, people I talked to said they only updated to
win7 when windows 10 was starting out, in fact they only
started win7 with the 2015 version of windows 10 when
that was coming out, going to 7.
Some others may wait longer or shorter times.
Its going to even be harder with windows 8 when
microsoft finally cans it.
The only reason to not use win7 possibly is if you want
to use a more powerfull system than the intel 6th gen,
and after their security nightmare, effecting all
systems, from what I hear from people that know, all the
security measures in both firmware and windows
mitigations have basically crapified the entire 7-8th
generation and the 8th generation completely with
Its why I moved to amd which while it does share some
similarities with the intel breaches has more
protections than intel because of older technologies
Bar the interface in win8x, the only reason you
probably would want to switch would be because you would
like universal apps or something.
With the universal nature of hardware its going to be
harder and a longer time before all that stuff dies.
Whats going to probably eventually happen, is that
hardware will stop being supported and other things but
there is more of that than win xp ever had.
The only other reason to even concidder upgrading to
win10 is to use usb c tech.
Its faster but the ports and plugs mean that basically
99.99999% of usb devices don't work on usb c meaning you
have to buy more hubs to fit things in.
Now I have seen usb c storage and a few things but its
still got to mature.
My origional plan was to get a 6th gen or a quad 7th
gen with all ports or basically usb 2 and 3 like I used
to have with my 3rd gen.
This amd system has usb 2 and usb 3.1 class a which
means I get all the generation upgrades but not c.
Another issue I have with the new systems is the god
awefull microphone and speaker input jack.
This means that even with effects off, the sound for
the speakers and externals is emulated to a point.
This means I need audio drivers running at startup in
order to have it emulate the right device properly.
I have tried without drivers and the card amp in this
beast is to powerfull to run right.
Older units and some newer ones have this sort of thing
in and not the 2 stand alone outputs.
The other god awefull thing that I really hate about
the modern systems is the tieing of all their sound
hardware to the display chip.
I understand why they do it, but after the god awefull
time I had in 1995 when sound was tied to the cd drive I
thought everyone had learned their lesson.
My asus workstation's card is a card not tied to
anything, a 4th gen.
Then again maybe it is the blind that overtax their
cards to a point the limiters trip.
Back in the day when volume controls, stand alone cards
analog ones mainly and real speakers existed we didn't
have any of this stupidness.
Now it works but there is a lot of emulation.
And due to the size of the speakers unless you get an
entertainment, gaming or small workstation like I have
the speakers are really small that effects are needed
for sound to sound even half good.
Eventually windows 7 like xp will become utter crap,
but its going to get longer.
Xp was allready being phased out by newer things,
win98, 95, and old dos went the same way as well as
win2k, me and probably win 8 and vista.
Sadly, win7 has a lot going for it.
There is still a lot of good tech that will be win7
able for ages yet.
And as I said, we would need a big change to really
role users over to 10 at least any time fast.
From technical trends that myself and a friend are
following who is in the security industry, the biggest
threat is forging business emails, as businesses and
indeviduals get smarter, the threat of ransomware is
dropping to a point we can handle it reasonably well.
Won't be gone completely but still.
Unlike xp, there is no real advantage to really upgrade
over win7 on its own.
With the loss of office 2010-2016 coming up in the next
few years, that may be enough, and the processer
limitations but there are hacks round that.
As long as there are still people and businesses using
it win7 will continue.
Another thing for 7 and against 10 is the fact
microsoft has pulled out a lot of legacy stuff which is
Things like midi mappers, and some stuff to run older
games and programs which 7 even 64 bit can run with
This is probably why microsoft went with win10 as a
service, I mean why would you ever leave windows 10.
Unless your processer is really old, you wouldn't.
The intel 6gen has stopped production as of last year,
7th is still about but dropping out now.
Things may pick up with intel 9th gen maybe.
Microsoft have addressed some of the performance
bottlenecks in the mitigations for intel cpus but still.
It will be harder to get rid of win7 and 8 than
microsoft actually thinks.
Win8's interface may drive people to 10, and 8 will
drop but 7 is unlikely to become as xp is.
Even so, people only dropped xp when their support
libraries no longer worked with it.
To be honest, the only reason some stuff like older
windows could be effected is if and when microsoft
dropps 32 bit support.
Or at least 32 bit os versions.
A lot of programs use 32 and 64 bit code, nvda being
one of them.
What will probably shove things along is the end of 32
as a hardware architecture.
32 bit machines havn't been made in ages and ages.
The reason 32 bit continues is that a few systems are
still running with 1-4gb ram mainly and the fact a few
older programs still exist.
Even if ms were to drop win7 support now, I doubt we'd
see any real change for at least a decade or even more.
With all the cloud services and portables what we may
see is a cludge of oses and devices being used at once.
On 11/03/2019 10:18 PM, Ian
You can continue to use Windows 7
after the end date in the same way that people are
still using Windows XP
But you take the risk of some
sort of attack due to the fact that holes in the
operating system are not being patched by the
a risk that you choose to take or not depending on
On 11 Mar 2019, at 4:47 pm, Monte Single <mrsingle@...>
will stop issuing updates for win 7 next
I have read
comments that win 7 can be used safely after
this time if some conditions are followed.I
understand these to be;
browser such as firefox or chrome,
accessible antivirus and malware program.
antivirus and malware programs that will work
with nvda in win 7?
other items that I should consider if I choose
to use win 7 after January 2020?