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Hello if Microsoft is making Narrator the main Screen reader like Apple with Voiceover built in. Then if you purchase a windows system with Narrator built in. Then you should pay extra. Also if that is the case, then Microsoft should include a word processor with your computer. Or, give a free trial for 30 days and if you have an outlook key then use it. Or if you purchase outlook you should be able to buy it out right. Because you pay for it and other things to run your computer. I hope this is not off topic.
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May 23, 2019 11:00 AMTo: email@example.comSubject:
Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS
The advantages of having more than one screen-reader is why I oppose Narrator becoming so good that it might threaten other screen-readers. I doubt Narrator is intended to be so good that it might threaten them but I don't know what the long range plans are. but you know the saying, be careful what you wish for. How long was Microsoft criticized for being a monopoly and yet, there appear to be a lot of blind people who want Narrator to be a good enough screen-reader that other designers would leave the field. That isn't in blind computer users' interests.
As far as the touch cursor is concerned, I was stating what I've seen on list from one or two good sources. But I'm not saying that you are wrong, Nimber, I'm just explaining that I have never compared the two and I don't use Windows 10 so I'll withdraw my statement and let others address the question.
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS
This is a great point, and one I've never really thought of. With other platforms, again, you don't really get that choice, and with Windows you do.
On May 23, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Karl Smith <karl@...> wrote:
I don’t think blind people are the only ones who have this issue. How many people, sighted and blind, use more than one browser because one works better than the other in different situations?
I debunk this.
The requirement for multiple screen readers is a simptim of a broken accessibility system poorly implemented. Name one other platform where multiple screen readers and switching on the fly are required for reliable access?
The problem with windows was is and probably shall ever be that it doesn't comply with it's own standards and relies on third parties to hack access into existence. Since no one can keep up with everything, some things will invariably work differently across the board. Then add stability issues caused by the veritable hackathon, video card instability, third party scripting issues, and (in the case of one product) outright denial of service caused by it's own draconian content protection scheme, and you get a quagmire.
I don't know about linux so much, but mac, Iphone, and android for sure are all really slick accessibility products where the expectation is that things will be stable and accessible out of the box as a baseline. If a product or feature on those platforms is not accessible, we bring the quality of development of that product or service up to meet the standard. On windows, we bring the accessibility tools down so that they can crunch through the mess and come up with something that works as long as there's time, money, demand, and co-operation from the vendor of the product. It's bass ackwards, and we've more or less tollerated it because it's what we are used to.
On May 22, 2019 6:42:15 PM "Arlene" <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi I can confirm this. It’s best to have 2 screan readers on yor system. Should one not work with whatever it is you are doing. Then the other will work.
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Hello Aine, hello list,
I am not able to give you an objective view here, just my experiences.
Coming from a Mac/Unix environment myself I would say NVDA does a good job with standard office applications. Of course, if you want to play it safe and you have the financial possibilities, update your Jaws to the newest version before starting your studies. After all, you never know if you will encounter a software that doesn’t work with NvDA and works with Jaws. Personally, I subscribe to the view that it’s always good to have more than one screen reader installed just in case something is not as accessible as you would like it.
As to your original question though, if you are pretty sure that you will be using standard software and you are considering if you really need Jaws to survive in the computer age, my personal answer is no.
Hope that helps …
Thanks and kind regards,