locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS


no no and no Microsoft will not just start charging more because
narrator is better.

On 5/23/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hello if Microsoft is making Narrator the main Screen reader like Apple with
Voiceover built in. Then if you purchase a windows system with Narrator
built in. Then you should pay extra. Also if that is the case, then
Microsoft should include a word processor with your computer. Or, give a
free trial for 30 days and if you have an outlook key then use it. Or if
you purchase outlook you should be able to buy it out right. Because you
pay for it and other things to run your computer. I hope this is not off

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From: Gene
Sent: May 23, 2019 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

The advantages of having more than one screen-reader is why I oppose
Narrator becoming so good that it might threaten other screen-readers.  I
doubt Narrator is intended to be so good that it might threaten them but I
don't know what the long range plans are.  but you know the saying, be
careful what you wish for.  How long was Microsoft criticized for being a
monopoly and yet, there appear to be a lot of blind people who want Narrator
to be a good enough screen-reader that other designers would leave the
field.  That isn't in blind computer users' interests.

As far as the touch cursor is concerned, I was stating what I've seen on
list from one or two good sources.  But I'm not saying that you are wrong,
Nimber, I'm just explaining that I have never compared the two and I don't
use Windows 10 so I'll withdraw my statement and let others address the

----- Original Message -----
From: Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

This is a great point, and one I've never really thought of. With other
platforms, again, you don't really get that choice, and with Windows you

On May 23, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Karl Smith <karl@...> wrote:
I don’t think blind people are the only ones who have this issue. How many
people, sighted and blind,  use more than one browser because one works
better than the other in different situations?



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

I debunk this.
The requirement for multiple screen readers is a simptim of a broken
accessibility system poorly implemented.  Name one other platform where
multiple screen readers and switching on the fly are required for reliable
The problem with windows was is and probably shall ever be that it doesn't
comply with it's own standards and relies on third parties to hack access
into existence.  Since no one can keep up with everything, some things will
invariably work differently across the board.  Then add stability issues
caused by the veritable hackathon, video card instability, third party
scripting issues, and (in the case of one product) outright denial of
service caused by it's own draconian content protection scheme, and you get
a quagmire.
I don't know about linux so much, but mac, Iphone, and android for sure are
all really slick accessibility products where the expectation is that things
will be stable and accessible out of the box as a baseline.  If a product or
feature on those platforms is not accessible, we bring the quality of
development of that product or service up to meet the standard.  On windows,
we bring the accessibility tools down so that they can crunch through the
mess and come up with something that works as long as there's time, money,
demand, and co-operation from the vendor of the product.  It's bass
ackwards, and we've more or less tollerated it because it's what we are used
On May 22, 2019 6:42:15 PM "Arlene" <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi I can confirm this. It’s best to have 2 screan readers on yor system.
Should one not work with whatever it is you are doing. Then the other will
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From: Bianka Brankovic
Sent: May 22, 2019 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

Hello Aine, hello list,

I am not able to give you an objective view here, just my experiences.

Coming from a Mac/Unix environment myself I would say NVDA does a good job
with standard office applications. Of course, if you want to play it safe
and you have the financial possibilities, update your Jaws to the newest
version before starting your studies. After all, you never know if you will
encounter a software that doesn’t work with NvDA and works with Jaws.
Personally, I subscribe to the view that it’s always good to have more than
one screen reader installed just in case something is not as accessible as
you would like it.

As to your original question though, if you are pretty sure that you will be
using standard software and you are considering if you really need Jaws to
survive in the computer age, my personal answer is no.

Hope that helps …

Thanks and kind regards,


Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

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