locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Nimer Jaber

Okay, I think it is time to allow this thread to die. Going to lock it now. i think this topic has gone far enough, and its usefulness to NVDA community has been exhausted.


On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:23 PM Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
no no and no Microsoft will not just start charging more because
narrator is better.

On 5/23/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> Hello if Microsoft is making Narrator the main Screen reader like Apple with
> Voiceover built in. Then if you purchase a windows system with Narrator
> built in. Then you should pay extra.  Also if that is the case, then
> Microsoft should include a word processor with your computer.  Or, give a
> free trial for 30 days and if you have an outlook key then use it.  Or if
> you purchase outlook you should be able to buy it out right.  Because you
> pay for it and other things to run your computer.  I hope this is not off
> topic.
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> From: Gene
> Sent: May 23, 2019 11:00 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS
> The advantages of having more than one screen-reader is why I oppose
> Narrator becoming so good that it might threaten other screen-readers.  I
> doubt Narrator is intended to be so good that it might threaten them but I
> don't know what the long range plans are.  but you know the saying, be
> careful what you wish for.  How long was Microsoft criticized for being a
> monopoly and yet, there appear to be a lot of blind people who want Narrator
> to be a good enough screen-reader that other designers would leave the
> field.  That isn't in blind computer users' interests.
> As far as the touch cursor is concerned, I was stating what I've seen on
> list from one or two good sources.  But I'm not saying that you are wrong,
> Nimber, I'm just explaining that I have never compared the two and I don't
> use Windows 10 so I'll withdraw my statement and let others address the
> question.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Devin Prater
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:29 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS
> This is a great point, and one I've never really thought of. With other
> platforms, again, you don't really get that choice, and with Windows you
> do.
> On May 23, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Karl Smith <karl@...> wrote:
> I don’t think blind people are the only ones who have this issue. How many
> people, sighted and blind,  use more than one browser because one works
> better than the other in different situations?
> Karl
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 9:18 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS
> I debunk this.
> The requirement for multiple screen readers is a simptim of a broken
> accessibility system poorly implemented.  Name one other platform where
> multiple screen readers and switching on the fly are required for reliable
> access?
> The problem with windows was is and probably shall ever be that it doesn't
> comply with it's own standards and relies on third parties to hack access
> into existence.  Since no one can keep up with everything, some things will
> invariably work differently across the board.  Then add stability issues
> caused by the veritable hackathon, video card instability, third party
> scripting issues, and (in the case of one product) outright denial of
> service caused by it's own draconian content protection scheme, and you get
> a quagmire.
> I don't know about linux so much, but mac, Iphone, and android for sure are
> all really slick accessibility products where the expectation is that things
> will be stable and accessible out of the box as a baseline.  If a product or
> feature on those platforms is not accessible, we bring the quality of
> development of that product or service up to meet the standard.  On windows,
> we bring the accessibility tools down so that they can crunch through the
> mess and come up with something that works as long as there's time, money,
> demand, and co-operation from the vendor of the product.  It's bass
> ackwards, and we've more or less tollerated it because it's what we are used
> to.
> Best,
> Erik
> On May 22, 2019 6:42:15 PM "Arlene" <nedster66@...> wrote:
> Hi I can confirm this. It’s best to have 2 screan readers on yor system.
> Should one not work with whatever it is you are doing. Then the other will
> work.
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> From: Bianka Brankovic
> Sent: May 22, 2019 4:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS
> Hello Aine, hello list,
> I am not able to give you an objective view here, just my experiences.
> Coming from a Mac/Unix environment myself I would say NVDA does a good job
> with standard office applications. Of course, if you want to play it safe
> and you have the financial possibilities, update your Jaws to the newest
> version before starting your studies. After all, you never know if you will
> encounter a software that doesn’t work with NvDA and works with Jaws.
> Personally, I subscribe to the view that it’s always good to have more than
> one screen reader installed just in case something is not as accessible as
> you would like it.
> As to your original question though, if you are pretty sure that you will be
> using standard software and you are considering if you really need Jaws to
> survive in the computer age, my personal answer is no.
> Hope that helps …
> Thanks and kind regards,
> Bianka

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