Hi Luke,

Actually yes and no - The main point of Laptop keyboard layout is, as you note, the assumption that you don't have a number pad, hence moving the keys around to accomodate that fact.

When laptop layout was created, it wasn't made as a whole, every key defined from scratch layout, but rather was more like a series of "exceptions" from the regular (desktop) layout.

That the desktop object navigation keys got left set for "all" layouts rather than desktop layout only, was essentially an oversight.  I've seen it come up a couple of times, and when we discussed it this week, we agreed there is a use case for using laptop keyboard layout and still wanting access to the number pad for navigation (as per the original post that started this thread).

I'll post a new thread shortly with my proposed solution for comment.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 6:24 AM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

Personally, I thought the whole point of laptop layout, was that it assumed you
had no number pad or conventional six pack.  Else why the differentiation
between laptop and desktop?  That is the primary difference between keyboard
types--the lack of a number pad.  I always either buy large laptops with number
pads, or I use external keyboards on my smaller laptops without them, so have
never learned or much used laptop layout.

So I'm saying I had always assumed (wrongly, it seems) that laptop layout would
act as if you had no numpad as far as the screen reader was concerned, which
would leave any numpad you do have to function as it would by default.
That seems the most logical arrangement to me.

Luke


  On Tue, 7 May 2019, Quentin Christensen wrote:

> I have seen this issue come up before.  I'm going to catch up with Mick and will raise it this afternoon.  In the meantime, clearly there are users who have
> NVDA setup in Laptop keyboard layout and want to use the number pad for navigation.  Are there any users who have NVDA in Laptop keyboard layout and like
> being able to use object navigation from the number pad as well?
> Just thinking that if there are people who use laptop layout and number pad object navigation, your third hybrid keyboard layout could be a solution - but
> if not, maybe setting the "desktop" object navigation keys to be desktop (only) keys would be a better solution.
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 8:13 PM Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
>       Hi Quentin,
>
>       As this issue has been brought up on a few occasions before, I've been thinking of an easier solution that may help persons that have the same
>       desire. What I was thinking was that there could be a new keyboard layout that could accomodate this behaviour, or that the laptop layout by
>       default would behave like this. Then, there could be a different layout called hybrid or something like that, with laptop keystrokes and the
>       NUMPAD using object navigation keys.
>
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