Re: NVDA and accessible kindle book

Aravind R
 

if book is designed as kindle for pc enabled or screen reader
supported which you can see in book description while purchasing, you
can determine whether NVDA can read that or not.

On 9/24/19, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
Thanks for the reference to how to increase speed; that is a bit better,
but that voice still isn't what I want. Can't have it all, I guess.


I'd still like to understand why NVDA can't read the text if it is
there, which it clearly must be, or the Kindle tts wouldn't be able to
read it. Thanks for all the suggestions. I think I'll pass on calling
Amazon accessibility. I have had really frustrating experiences with
them every time I have interacted either on the phone or via email.


Mary

On 9/23/2019 3:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Also off the same page but this is for its own text to speech plus if
you use nvda on a book.


You can have Kindle for PC read out your books with the in built text
to speech engine. The short cuts to run Kindle for Pc  are below.

To use these shortcuts, you must enable Text-to-Speech first. Press
"Ctrl,T" or select the Tools menu and chose Start Text-to-Speech.
• Toggle Text-to-Speech - Ctrl, T
• Pause or resume reading - Space bar (while in a book)
• Read the previous sentence - Ctrl, Shift, Up arrow
• Skip forward one sentence - Ctrl, Shift, Down arrow
• Increase speech rate - Shift, +
• Decrease speech rate - Shift, -
• Toggle continuous reading - Ctrl, Shift, C
Note: This feature only works on eligible Kindle content. You can
configure the Text-to-Speech language from the System Preferences on
your computer.

if you choose to use NVDA to read out your books please see the
following 2 sections one been in the Kindle for Pc shortcuts section
which is found under the help F1 menu. You will need to locate the
shortcuts section and refer to the section about NVDA.

Navigating Within Tables (NVDA)
• Go to the next table - T
• Go to the previous table - Shift + T
• Enter first cell - Shift + ,
• Cell to right - Ctrl + Alt + rightArrow
• Cell to left - Ctrl + Alt + leftArrow
• Cell above - Ctrl + Alt + upArrow
• Cell below - Ctrl + Alt + downArrow
• Next (Previous) link - K (Shift + K)
• Next (Previous) image - G (Shift + G)
• Exit table - ,


 The other section is found  in the NVDA user manual called 10.8.
Kindle for PC


NVDA supports reading and navigating books in Amazon Kindle for PC.
This functionality is only available in Kindle books designated with
"Screen Reader: Supported" which you can check on the details page for
the book.


Gene nz

On 24/09/2019 10:43 AM, Stephen wrote:
What do I do if i want to read a kindle book on my PC and it isn't
screen reader supported? is there an option available?
At 06:19 AM 9/24/2019, you wrote:

Hi


You probably already know what to look for but it needs to be screen
reader enabled.


Below is off my web site for the kindle tutorial and what to look
for it is off my nvda tutorials for other programs page.



When you locate a book, press the Enter key on it to get more
information. The next page should tell you what the name of the
author is, a brief description of the book, the price and a brief
description of the following types of information ...for example
Read more. If you want NVDA to read your book, you will need to look
for Screen reader: Supported.
An example of the type of information that you might find is given
below:

Product details
Format: Kindle Edition
File Size: 1634 KB
Print Length: 226 pages
Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited
Publisher: Bella Books (15 March 2019)
Sold by: Amazon Australia Services, Inc.
Language: English
ASIN: B07PG5555P
Text-to-Speech: Enabled
X-Ray: Not Enabled
Word Wise: Enabled
Screen Reader: Supported
Enhanced Typesetting: Enabled





Gene nz


On 24/09/2019 6:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, both advanced type setting and text to speech are enabled for
the book, so there goes that theory.


Mary

On 9/23/2019 10:25 AM, John Isige wrote:
I'm guessing somebody already told you. In order for Kindle PC to
read
books with a screen reader, it either needs to say it's screen reader
accessible/enabled or whatever they call it, or that it has enhanced
type/typesetting in the book's info. I don't know *why* Amazon set
things up that way, I'm assuming fights with publishers, but I think
that's not the case for some reason with their Kindle apps for mobile
devices. So I suspect what's happening is that this mystery book
doesn't
have the required feature enabled, so NVDA can't see it. Of course, I
could be entirely wrong, but that's my guess.


On 9/23/2019 9:40, Mary Otten wrote:
Hi Hope,


If I could choose the sysnthesizer and the speed, I guess I wouldn't
mind letting the Kindle app do the reading. But the synthesizer they
use and the speed with which it reads are both losers in my book. If
the tts within the Kindle application can see the text, and voice
over
can see the text, why can't NVDA see it without having to do a
page by
page ocr?


Mary

On 9/23/2019 7:07 AM, Hope Williamson wrote:
When I'm reading a Kindle book. I exit NVDA, and let the Kindle do
the reading. Sometimes I start narrator, but it's really
unnecessary.

On 9/23/2019 7:01 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
NVDA plus r does yield text. Turning off the synthesizer within
the
Kindle app with control t doesn't do anything for nvda, i.e. it
still doesn't read anything. there is obviously text here, or else
the book wouldn't read on my phone. But for whatever reason, NVDA
isn't seeing the text unless you do an ocr. That's not an
efficient
way to read a book. I'd sure like to know what's up with Kindle
for
pc here.


Mary

On 9/23/2019 3:22 AM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
What happens if you use the NVDA key and are to scan the image.
Does it find anything?

Sile
On Sep 22, 2019, at 6:24 PM, Mary Otten
<maryotten@...> <mailto:maryotten@...>
wrote:

Hi folks,


This might not turn out to be an NVDA issue, but ...


I use the Kindle for PC with NVDA as well as my phone to read
Kindle books. I just purchased one which, when I open it, a
voice
automatically starts reading at a speed that I did not set.
It is
apparently the tts that goes into action when the Kindle app
starts reading something, kind of like what happens when you
tell
Acrobat reader to read out loud.


In the case of this book, NVDA sees no text at all. All the
menus
work. But when I do an insert down to start a read all from the
selected chapter in the table of contents, nothing is read by
NVDA. On my phone using the Voice Over screen reader, this book
reads just fine, thank you very much.


I am aware that there are a few books that you can't read with a
screen reader, period. But this doesn't seem to be one of those,
since it is working fine on my phone. Is there some setting I'm
missing that would allow me to use NVDA and my preferred
voice and
speed over the speech that comes from the Kindle program itself?


Mary


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