Re: Touch cursor support

Pete <emac00@...>


  insert numpad 7 does not cycle threw options for me 

  the first press gets me screen review  the second press gets me no previous review mode 

  insert numpad 1 works simularly  the first press gets me object review and the next pres gets me no previous review mode 

  This is using nvda latest running on windows 7 64 bit pro. 


On 7/1/2016 8:14 PM, Gene wrote:

It's easier, in my opinion, to demonstrate how object navigation works than to try to explain it.  After it is demonstrated, an explanation might be helpful but I learned how to use object navigation by experimentation with very little reliance on explanations. 
Do the following:
This discussion uses the desktop keyboard layout.  I don't use the laptop layout and am notfamiliar with it. 
Issue the command numpad insert numpad 7.  That is, hold numpad insert and while doing so press 7.  Do this until you have moved through the review options you can move to in that way.  Then move back using numpad insert numpad one.  Stop at object navigation. 
Now, open some simple program everyone has on their computer.  Let's use Notepad. 
Write the word "test."
Now, issue the command numpad insert numpad 4.  You will move from the document window to another part of the program. 
Now issue the command numpad insert numpad 6.  You are back in the document window again.  You have moved first to a different object, then back to the document window, the object you started on.
Now issue the command numpad insert numpad 8. 
You have moved out of the document window and are now at an object that says untitled notepad window.  Move up again with the same command.  I'm not sure what you will hear depending on your version of Windows.  You may hear desktop window.  Try moving to the left and right by object with numpad 4 and 6. At least on my machine, I hear no next, no previous.  
So move down one level again with numpad insert numpad 2.  On my machine, I can't move to the left but I can move to the right from where I am.  If I move to the right enough times, I get to untitled notepad window again.  
Move down once to get back into the Notepad program.  Start moving to the right, I don't think you can move to the left.  If you move enough times, you will be back in the edit field with the word test you wrote awhile ago.
The point is that you first moved to the window, then continuing to move down you moved into the window and then moved right object by object until you got back into the edit field.  
Experiment and look around.  You may find that by looking around and experimenting, things start to make sense as you conceptualize what you are doing as you move.  
Try moving around using the move left and right commands and moving up and down and then using the move left and right commands.  Note that you can move to a lot of structures.  Some you can move into and some you can't because you are already in them.
If you get lost, you can always return to the program window where you started by alt tabbing out of and then alt tabbing until you return to the window. 
This demonstration may not explain things technically precisely accurately in terms of definitions.  I'm not sure I know exactly how to explain everything technically accurately.  The point is to experiment and get a concept of what you are doing by experimentation and observation.    
This may or may not allow you to understand everything.  But this kind of experimentation, along with working with a good tutorial section that explains object navigation may allow you to understand it.
Also, note carefully that if you leave NVDA set to screen review, you can't review the screen accurately much of the time if you intend to move somewhere and then use the standard review commands such as numpad 8 read current line.  You must have NVDA set for object navigation to have review work reliably.  I have said before that most NVDA users don't and won't understand this and that you should automatically be returned to object review when you leave the window you are in.  I still feel strongly about this. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support

How is each one invoked?
At 04:03 PM 7/1/2016, you wrote:
>A good example is Windows 10’s Settings app
>(Windows+I) where you do need to use object
>navigation to read descriptions of settings.
>[] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
>Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support
>Joseph Lee wrote:  "If you are using Windows 8,
>8.1 or 10, use of object navigation is essential when using newer style apps."
>Joseph, is there any material somewhere that
>gives some discussion or examples of using
>object navigation and the review cursor using some "real world" example?
>I have not been able to get my arms around this,
>and it's probably because I'm trying to use it
>"in the wrong place."  I strongly suspect that
>had I known how to use these features the
>step-by-step pizza ordering instructions for the
>Pizza Hut website I was trying to create might
>have been completed.  I had one of those rare
>"throw up my hands and walk away" moments
>because I could not figure out how to get NVDA
>to "play correctly" with the various pop-up
>overlays, etc., and I'm almost certain it can.
>Even if you could direct me to either an app or
>a website that's a good sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.
>I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how
>cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
>          ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for
> Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

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