Re: Are web applications that accessible?


I hope someone discusses the feature I discussed where NVDA allows application commands to pass to the web application even if you are in browse mode.  I don't know enough about it to discuss it.
As for your browse mode off comments, that is another way of using web application commands.  I don't know when or how you learned to use the Internet so I don't know if your misunderstanding is due to when you learned, before browse mode was available in screen-readers, or the result of poor instruction or poor instructional materials.
Browse mode is not directly working with the web page.  When You turn browse mode off, you are directly working with the web page.
To make this clear to students, I strongly believe that automatic switching between browse mode and forms mode by the screen-reader should be disabled and the student should have to manually switch.  Not teaching in this way breeds confusion and is, in my strong opinion, just one more example of why so many people don't know how to use the Internet well.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are web applications that accessible?

Hi Gene,
If it were just h, I don't think it'd be an issue. But of course we have
everything else (I think J, P, Y and Z are the only letters in the
alphabet not to have functions associated with them). Of course many of
these are very useful - I use them all the time. But the question then
becomes, what takes precedence, NVDA's keys, or the web app's keys?
Usually, I tend to find the former. It's only very recently (I'm talking
a matter of days) when I learned that you could use shortcuts with focus
mode, and that essentially my whole understanding of interfaces and
navigation was just wrong on so many levels.

On 07/10/2019 04:08 pm, Gene wrote:
> Most screen-reader commands, such as h for move by heading, don't
> require such a key.  If you are going to use a web site shortcut, if you
> are in browse mode, you may have to use the pass through command first,
> or switch to forms mode, or, in other words, turn browse mode off.  But
> NVDA, in newer versions, has a feature that allows you to send web page
> short cut keys wile still in browse mode.  I haven't used it but it
> allows you to send commands and allows them to reach the web page where,
> if not for this feature, browse mode wouldn't allow this.
> I believe JAWS has a similar feature.
> Those who use this feature will, I hope, comment further.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 07, 2019 9:58 AM
> *To:* <>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Are web applications that accessible?
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 09:23 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
>     So of course, when I see websites refer to keyboard shortcuts, my
>     first thought is, well done for trying, but that's useless to most
>     screen reader users because the screen reader uses its own
>     keystrokes for navigational tasks and other things, meaning they
>     would be blocked.
> This is absolutely, positively not typically the case.   In particular
> because most screen reader commands require the "screen reader prefix
> key" as part of the command, and virtually no other commands, be they
> Windows, application program, or web application ever use what is the
> screen reader prefix key.
> There was a time, before Windows itself, when keyboard shortcuts were
> used pretty much exclusively to work with programs quickly and easily. 
> They date from the days of DOS, and there are very few that changed
> since that time.
> There are occasions where there may be some overlap, there can't help
> but be, and even then that's what screen readers have the
> pass-through-key feature for.
> --
> Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
> *The color of truth is grey.*
> ~ André Gide

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